Interesting bit of trivia: the original plan was to have the Beatles film something on purpose for this serial, namely the four of them with long white beards playing on a special reunion concert (a 50th anniversary of the band or something). All four Beatles were keen to do it, apparently; however, their manager vetoed it and so the production team was forced to use footage from Top of the Pops instead. Now, the irony of the thing is that that particular ToTP transmission was burninated and it's thanks to Doctor Who, usually seen as the greatest victim of burnination, that this bit of footage survives.
"It's been in the ship ever since I constructed it." ...Totally not going to discuss continuity here, it would be stupid and futile.. A good way to dodge any continuity discussions over this is to remember River's wise words: the Doctor lies.
Also, THEY LET HIM LIVE.I'm currently listening to all the back installments of the Flashing Blade podcast (it's great to listen while I'm working as it stops me from dying of boredom over my
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I remember reading about that on Wikipedia. Apparently the American DVD release cut that scene out and I don't remember why...
Ouch. Poor Norton. That last few shots of him certainly seemed to imply that he wasn't going to get a happy ending.
I think the main thing that startled me about that scene was the fact that I'm pretty sure that's the first time I've seen them kill a child on this show.
Ah, The War Machines. After I watch that, there's a big article in the one issue of DWM I own about that serial that I should read.
Maybe my eyes (or the video quality) were just that much fail, but I honestly couldn't tell them apart.
I was going to mention something about the Castaway syndrome, and then for some reason I didn't. The "dick move" I was really referring to wasn't so much the fact that he went back for Hi-Fi but that in doing so he let go of the cable and tripped up everybody else holding Vicki.
Hartnell sounds like he must've been pretty terrifying in real life.
Yeah, they commented on this on the podcast as well. It's something to do with royalties, I think.
In my personal canon Norton returned home unscathed and told everybody about the crazy things he's seen in New York. And one of his descendants moved to England at some point, making him an ancestor of Steven Taylor.
The War Machines is great, apart from Dodo's departure - and the "Doctor Who" scene makes some people cringe, obviously. But Ben and Polly are awesome and have a great introduction; I particularly love their frowning competition.
I've heard so many people commenting on it that I can't help but notice non-Hartnell. *shrugs*
Yeah, dropping the cable was a bit dickish, but he really wasn't thinking straight, was he? I have the feeling he only started to regain his wits in The Time Meddler.
All the First Doctor's companions whom I've seen interviews of always speak fondly of Hartnell, so I doubt he really was as scary as that. His bark was probably worse than his bite.
Now that I'm seeing you properly, you really look like you could use a shave. Well, guess they had to make him look different than the tourist. Didn't want the audience to recognize him. Worked on me. :) He loses the beard in The Time Meddler, I think.
ONLY changed their geographical and time location?? I was thinking the same thing.
Wait. Wait. A woman with a baby just jumped overboard. I am really seriously not okay with this. Honestly, for real. No, guys. Just...no. Didn't particularly bother me. I guess the first time because the baby was so very much a doll and the after that because I'd looked it up and the baby was the wrong age and thus even more very-much-a-doll. Still, a disaster caused by their presence. Like the fire of Rome. And that's not the last one we'll see either.
I loved the Doctor's hissy fit when Barbara and Ian wanted to go home. I don't think we saw another one that bad until Adric wanted to leave.
"Oh, what's two years amongst friends? We're HOME!"Yeah, and Ian's car would have been found right
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Yeah, I re-watched the opening scenes of Earthshock recently and Five and Adric's fight was about twice as intense as I'd remembered it. Seems to me like the Doctor only has hissy fits about companions leaving if it involves some incredibly dangerous procedure (Ian and Barbara traveling in a Dalek-made machine, Adric trying to get back to another universe, etc...)
I know there's Expanded Universe stuff that touches on their lives after returning home. I really want to read some of that someday (I think there might be one in the Short Trips: Companions anthology, which I really want to read anyway because it has an "Adric actually gets some character exploration" story in it).
These guys were two of the first Classic companions I ever watched. It's going to be weird not having them around anymore...
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"It's been in the ship ever since I constructed it." ...Totally not going to discuss continuity here, it would be stupid and futile..
A good way to dodge any continuity discussions over this is to remember River's wise words: the Doctor lies.
Also, THEY LET HIM LIVE.I'm currently listening to all the back installments of the Flashing Blade podcast (it's great to listen while I'm working as it stops me from dying of boredom over my ( ... )
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Ouch. Poor Norton. That last few shots of him certainly seemed to imply that he wasn't going to get a happy ending.
I think the main thing that startled me about that scene was the fact that I'm pretty sure that's the first time I've seen them kill a child on this show.
Ah, The War Machines. After I watch that, there's a big article in the one issue of DWM I own about that serial that I should read.
Maybe my eyes (or the video quality) were just that much fail, but I honestly couldn't tell them apart.
I was going to mention something about the Castaway syndrome, and then for some reason I didn't. The "dick move" I was really referring to wasn't so much the fact that he went back for Hi-Fi but that in doing so he let go of the cable and tripped up everybody else holding Vicki.
Hartnell sounds like he must've been pretty terrifying in real life.
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In my personal canon Norton returned home unscathed and told everybody about the crazy things he's seen in New York. And one of his descendants moved to England at some point, making him an ancestor of Steven Taylor.
The War Machines is great, apart from Dodo's departure - and the "Doctor Who" scene makes some people cringe, obviously. But Ben and Polly are awesome and have a great introduction; I particularly love their frowning competition.
I've heard so many people commenting on it that I can't help but notice non-Hartnell. *shrugs*
Yeah, dropping the cable was a bit dickish, but he really wasn't thinking straight, was he? I have the feeling he only started to regain his wits in The Time Meddler.
All the First Doctor's companions whom I've seen interviews of always speak fondly of Hartnell, so I doubt he really was as scary as that. His bark was probably worse than his bite.
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Yeah, I've heard that most of his "bite" came from his "does not suffer fools gladly" attitude. Aside from that, he sounded pretty cool.
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Well, guess they had to make him look different than the tourist. Didn't want the audience to recognize him. Worked on me. :) He loses the beard in The Time Meddler, I think.
ONLY changed their geographical and time location??
I was thinking the same thing.
Wait. Wait. A woman with a baby just jumped overboard. I am really seriously not okay with this. Honestly, for real. No, guys. Just...no.
Didn't particularly bother me. I guess the first time because the baby was so very much a doll and the after that because I'd looked it up and the baby was the wrong age and thus even more very-much-a-doll. Still, a disaster caused by their presence. Like the fire of Rome. And that's not the last one we'll see either.
I loved the Doctor's hissy fit when Barbara and Ian wanted to go home. I don't think we saw another one that bad until Adric wanted to leave.
"Oh, what's two years amongst friends? We're HOME!"Yeah, and Ian's car would have been found right ( ... )
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Yeah, I re-watched the opening scenes of Earthshock recently and Five and Adric's fight was about twice as intense as I'd remembered it. Seems to me like the Doctor only has hissy fits about companions leaving if it involves some incredibly dangerous procedure (Ian and Barbara traveling in a Dalek-made machine, Adric trying to get back to another universe, etc...)
I know there's Expanded Universe stuff that touches on their lives after returning home. I really want to read some of that someday (I think there might be one in the Short Trips: Companions anthology, which I really want to read anyway because it has an "Adric actually gets some character exploration" story in it).
These guys were two of the first Classic companions I ever watched. It's going to be weird not having them around anymore...
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