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Oct 25, 2007 15:27

Okay, am finally getting around to talking about some of the movies I've seen over the last couple of weeks. It's a diverse list, and I still have Prick Up Your Ears to finish at home tonight (damn that young Gary Oldman, he's simply too engaging and crazy at the same time).

Gangster No. 1, or that movie in which Paul Bettany aims lots of suggestive looks at David Thewlis )

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ipomoea October 25 2007, 21:33:52 UTC
The Elizabeth commentary is making me want to cry. I will probably see it anyway, for the pretty dresses, but WTF. Essex is a pretty glaring omission. And looking over the IMDB page, I'm also WTFing over no Burghley. How can you do a film about Elizabeth without her chief privy councillor?

The Thewlis/Bettany movie sounds good though.

To help scrub out the icky history butchering from your brain, here, have a snip from today's Times about Sean Bean's new film: There is even a scene where he has to run naked and screaming across the ice - was it a romantic loyalty to the project, or pure Ran-ulph Fiennes-esque pluck? “The last thing you really want to do after a few late-night drinks is run stark naked across the f****** Arctic,” Bean admits.

...I lol'ed.

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circestale October 26 2007, 02:37:39 UTC
Well, I think the reason for no Burghley is at the end of the last film we saw her elevating him to lordship and then basically sending him into retirement. Ergo, tenuous film series logic would argue against him showing up again. If you see it, please share the WTF? with me about all the weird and totally unnecessary cut-aways to Spain. All those scenes are mondo bizarre.

Try to find Gangster No. 1 if you can. It's worth it, for the David Thewlis in expensive suits alone, oh yes.

Wait, Bean's got a new movie out? And he's naked?!??? Oh dear, oh dear, it seems I must keep up more with movie news.

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ipomoea October 26 2007, 17:32:18 UTC
The new Elizabeth biography I read recently was so much better than this movie sounds. And also Cate Blanchett is nowhere near old enough for the part of Elizabeth's life that this covers. Just sayin'.

Oh, our library has it! I have put it on hold. I checked out The New World a couple months ago and Thewlis had a very small bit role in it. They completely wasted him if you ask me. But I had issues with that film. Namely, I kind of hated it.

Oh, I heard about it on the BBC America Anglophenia blog. But anyway, yes. Naked in subzero temperatures. You have to respect that sort of commitment to the project!

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circestale October 26 2007, 17:54:41 UTC
Well, it's a toss-up, isn't it? Either the actress is going to be too old for certain events - Helen Mirren - or too young, like Cate. Of course, the time compression in this film is so bad that it makes it seem like everything happens in about five months. As I replies to Andolinn below, I really think this movie is based more on the Bette Davis movie The Virgin Queen than any reputable written source.

You know, I'm of the impression that Thewlis has been wasted in almost everything except Naked. Perhaps that's his curse; get one amazing movie at the beginning of your career and then have to take crap in order to pay the mortgage. Well, okay, Total Eclipse was okay, and Seven Years in Tibet wasn't half bad, but otherwise he's been in some real dogs. I think part of the problem may be that he's not one who's adverse to kissing and telling; he's more than happy to slag people off in interviews when they deserve it.

I rented New World but never watched it. Fell asleep after the first five minutes. I'm honestly not a huge fan of that ( ... )

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andolinn October 26 2007, 00:21:25 UTC
Well, I've got the icon, but I'm waffling on seeing the film.

I am recalling a debate or two on Perseph's LJ about why filmmakers should be permitted to circumvent history to tell their even better, engaging story. Not sure I've ever agreed with that, so I kept my peace. I can see making a few changes/brushovers to keep a story going, but if you are exchanging an engrossing history, you had better have an even more engrossing story to tell.

And there is no excuse for the Mary Queen of Scots accent. Giving her a French accent would in no way have impinged upon said engrossing fictionalization. Audiences should not be treated as though they are stupid.

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circestale October 26 2007, 02:52:21 UTC
Well, you may want to wait for dvd. At least that way it would be cheaper and you could always simply return it if you really got fed up with the film.

See, I can totally agree with changing fact for fiction, when the fiction in no way disservices the fact and eases fact along for the sake of narrative. However, films like this one, which practically entirely jettisons fact for fiction, lose track of the realities which made this woman, her life, and her times so remarkable and worthy of retelling. In the end, the film boils down more as some sordid romantic menage (Raleigh, Bess Throckmorton, Elizabeth) than as an interpretation of one of the most contentious times in early modern England. I think, honestly, the film relies more heavily on the old Bette Davis movie The Virgin Queen than any reputable written source for its narrative ( ... )

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2_perseph August 11 2009, 06:29:55 UTC
Sorry to be butting in here after 10,000 years, but I was reading through some old posts to see what old flisters have been up to, and saw this.

My argument wasn't that filmmakers should be permitted to circumvent history to tell "their even better, engaging story." My argument was that screenwriters--who face a challenge of structure and time in their craft--should not and cannot be held to the strictures of historical chronologies. That they have to select whatever they feel is necessary to best dramatize whatever the point of the movie is, which in the end is all the space a feature film allows for. (The writer did it with arguable success for the first Elizabeth.) This is because a feature film is actually an artform and a medium of its own. They can draw from history, or whatever the source material might be, but the fact is that from that source material, they have to craft something entirely new. Something that speaks to audiences in an entirely different form of communication from a book or even a documentary. It's not an ( ... )

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andolinn August 12 2009, 06:08:34 UTC
Good grief woman, you are wandering back into ancient history. *grins*

I'm trying to muster energy for this, but I'm afraid I'm giving up on Hollywood. Actually, though it's not all horrifying. Milk was beyond brilliant and Public Enemies was pretty good. Missed Food, Inc. but seriously nothing else at all calls to me these days. :(

*runs back* Wait! Fast and Furious was fun in a truly-stupid-but-full-of-Hotfuckers-and-bring-on-the-slash kinda way!

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