Comments | cielamara: It's been a battle for far too long

cielamara

It's been a battle for far too long

May 10, 2012 04:04

What is my life.

( Today I argued with a bunch of Mormons about vagina tattoos. )

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hippydippymama April 10 2012, 08:11:37 UTC

ILU, baby. *squishes*

moderntrickster April 10 2012, 09:55:44 UTC

You're magical.

Today has just been a day of stupid "I don't think feminism means what you think it means", hasn't it?

cielamara April 10 2012, 15:26:28 UTC

I think EVERY day is a day like that, it's just a matter of degree of stupidity. I woke up to this:

" Would it make any difference if I as a woman say I agree with Team Neckbeard 100%?? I too think women's skin is beautiful and I hate seeing it tarnished with tatoos. That said, it doesn´t make me 100% right, it is just mine (and obviously Terry´s) opinon. I think he, as well as I, are allowed to have an opinion. But it is so very important to separate saying (or in some instances hearing): "This is right!", as to saying "This is what I believe/am convinced of being right". Something we all need to be more careful with when we express our opinions here, AND when we interpret other´s expressed opinions!"

Why is social justice so full of people MISSING THE POINT.

hippydippymama April 10 2012, 19:42:59 UTC

Because it's totally okay to make women into a thing that can be ruined and tarnished if you are ALSO one! JFC.

moderntrickster April 10 2012, 23:48:17 UTC

Explaining problematic language for people with a) no respect for and b) no understanding of language in the first place is a battle that I've fought for a long time.

Like all the linguistics arguments I've gotten into with people over the use of the words "fag" and "gypped", not to mention how many times I've flat-out raged against someone saying "squaw".

People just don't understand how, regardless or intent, there are words that not okay. And the problem here isn't whether or not someone enjoys the appearance of tattoos. The problem is the use of the word "tainted" and the idea that a woman can be tainted, where a man can't.

Personally I think the two of you explained that flawlessly, but some knuckle-draggers can't understand that sans intent a word can be painful.

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cielamara April 10 2012, 15:34:32 UTC

That women are joining in the ongoing disassembling of my appearance is salient. Patriarchy is not men. Patriarchy is a system in which both women and men participate. It privileges, inter alia, the interests of boys and men over the bodily integrity, autonomy, and dignity of girls and women. It is subtle, insidious, and never more dangerous than when women passionately deny that they themselves are engaging in it. This abnormal obsession with women’s faces and bodies has become so normal that we (I include myself at times-I absolutely fall for it still) have internalized patriarchy almost seamlessly. We are unable at times to identify ourselves as our own denigrating abusers, or as abusing other girls and women.

I want to hug Ashley Judd. Yes yes yes yes. SO MUCH. And so beautifully put.

beaucadeau April 10 2012, 11:28:19 UTC

O SNAP. That is badass.

cielamara April 10 2012, 15:45:31 UTC

When I decide to stir myself to lay a smackdown, I want to do it properly.

confectionqueen April 10 2012, 12:20:41 UTC

If you really want to give that much power to a word, be my guest, but I have more important things to be offended by
I hate this line so, so much. It's so utterly dismissive and makes it the person's fault for being affected.

Props to both of you. I felt exhausted reading that, let alone if I had to participate :o

I will also totally admit, I clicked on your LJ cut as fast as I could because you said vagina tattoo and I had to know.

cielamara April 10 2012, 15:56:29 UTC

I really hate it too. "Well, you're just silly for getting so worked up." Fuck you. How does it make you feel when someone dismisses YOUR feelings?

I knew that'd catch some interest. :D And I delivered! There was a vagina tattoo! Well, technically a vulva, but, y'know.

confectionqueen April 10 2012, 16:05:12 UTC

It's a conversation piece!
My uterus is flowers. UMAD?

I will say when you said it, I first thought it was a tattoo on someone's vagina. After my D: face, I knew I needed to know.

I hate how that line always seems to come up when discussing offensive terms
"Well I don't LET myself be offended by that stuff! Also, I am better than you, and this is why."

cielamara April 10 2012, 20:11:33 UTC

I would need to know too. :D Apparently people do, y'know, get vagina tattoos. I don't know WHY, but people...well, people are people.

I've never understood the idea of being able to control how you feel. You can control how you react, but you can't control what hurts your feelings or makes you angry or makes you happy. You can only learn to process shit a little better.