Comments | chronarchy: Gettin' stuff done, feelin' groovy

chronarchy

Gettin' stuff done, feelin' groovy

Mar 01, 2006 20:21

I realize I haven't been around much. Sorry about that. I didn't look at LJ for . . . 6 or 7 days, I think. I was in Chicago last weekend, visiting family. It was a good visit. Extra bonus for getting to see a crazy religious cult that was able and willing to joke about their prayer house looking like a UFO! More on that in another post ( Read more... )

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trogula March 2 2006, 01:58:22 UTC

Hi Kirk! We've not met, but we've exchanged emails (I'm the guy under consideration to be the new ADF Regalia manager).

Mind if I add you to my friend's list? I actually had a major issue this week withen my protogrove that I could use your input on, if you're willing.

chronarchy March 2 2006, 02:18:47 UTC

Kirk doesn't post. Just add him and maybe, if you're lucky, one day he'll turn you from being just a wooden puppet who sits on his "friend of" list into a Real FriendTM!

(he only saw this post because I dropped him the URL via IM) :)

qorinda March 2 2006, 07:30:50 UTC

*grin* Face it, Michael. You just rate! I consider him MY friend and he hasn't ever posted in MY lj!

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trogula March 2 2006, 01:54:12 UTC

I am still looking hard at it. I'm sure I'm Pagan (no question there), but I'm not so sure on the addictions.

As someone who's actively done this work, I suspect it's referring to addictions that are harmful to self and others. While Issac wrote this, he also wrote liturgy for "Caffeina, the Goddess of Awareness, as practiced by the Javacrucian Order" (Bonewits, Rites of Worship, 29). ;-)

I wouldn't be terribly concerned about this point. Those that actually have this problem, tend to be really obvious to everybody except themselves (Denial is not just a river in Egypt).

I don't learn by completing exit standards: I learn by helping others work through their exit standardsThe best way to learn a subject is to teach it. The kindred that I am a member of does a monthly "Runes & Lore" teaching class open to the general public. I've taught subjects several times in that class, and each time, I left the class knowing much more than I did before I taught it. It's the interactions and sharing of ideas and experiences that color and liven ( ... )

chronarchy March 2 2006, 02:10:30 UTC

I'm not concerned about the addiction thing, personally. But I like the sort of self-examination that it's promoting as I look and think about it. It intrigues me quite a bit, and I really really like to question my own actions and motives (you know, in case you have been living under a rock and haven't noticed the general tone of my LJ). I like that when I saw it, it opened up a dialogue within myself where I could say, "Oh, would you look at that? Is what you're doing here *really* an aspect of healthy living?"

And yeah, I'm all about learning through teaching. It's my favourite method. :)

A few thoughts... wishesofastar March 2 2006, 01:55:19 UTC

I know I'm not ADF, but you posted this to everybody, so I figured I'd throw in my $0.02 cents about the policies ( ... )

Re: A few thoughts... chronarchy March 2 2006, 02:17:04 UTC

#1: No one is doing it in ADF that I know of. I'm merely responding to the feeling I got when I read it, which was, "Hey, cool! Isaac agrees with my feelings pretty darn close there!"

#4: I don't think that anyone I've ever met would call required pain medication an addication. They'd call a dependence on the medication that went beyond utilitarian need and crossed into compulsion addiction, I think. But I don't recall anywhere that ADF said, "Oh, you smoke? Sorry, you're not clergy material." Again, I'm mostly responding to the implication of self-reflection and analysis that I find in my reaction to the statement, rather than to that as a "requirement" for clergy status.

Because lord knows, 2¢ doesn't get you far these days.... tlachtga March 2 2006, 04:22:49 UTC

But I don't recall anywhere that ADF said, "Oh, you smoke? Sorry, you're not clergy material."

Nor should it be. Smoking isn't healthy (and frankly, I really hate it), but neither is eating red meat (and I love steak) or consuming a lot of caffine (and I REALLY love Moutain Dew). I'm sure there are carcinogens we don't even know about yet in all kinds of places, like soda.

I would think that "addiction" should seem pretty cut-and-dry: if it interferres with your life, causes trouble with relationships, etc., then it's an addiction. If you physically or psychologically crave it, are unable to go without it, it's an addiction (but then, there's a large grey area--tobacco is addictive, caffine is addictive, but they don't have the obvious imparment of abilities).

Re: Because lord knows, 2¢ doesn't get you far these days.... chronarchy March 2 2006, 14:46:56 UTC

I agree, and generally think it's pretty cut and dry, myself. Then again, I think a lot of things are. I'm just that kind of person, I think. :)

ariansdreams March 2 2006, 02:38:46 UTC

:) Glad you're back.

You know I'm a mostly-conservative person. So, I agree with what you said about the blood/addiction stuff.

chronarchy March 2 2006, 02:46:00 UTC

Heh. I generally think of it as being a "mostly-smart" person, myself, but yeah, I can see that :)

Good to be back. I missed this place. I need less work in my life :)

ariansdreams March 2 2006, 04:19:15 UTC

Would it be ok if I emailed you with some DP/ADF related questions? I see that you're pretty busy atm, so if not that's okay. :)

chronarchy March 2 2006, 13:51:08 UTC

Yeah. I'm always able and willing to answer those. Feel free :)

qorinda March 2 2006, 07:28:32 UTC

Individual members of the Mother Grove may discuss, but not vote upon, leadership candidates with whom they may have a significant personal relationship.

Hmmmmm. I can think of an instance or two where this was NOT applied when appointing leadership candidates. Too bad it's not in the bylaws somewhere. *sigh*

AND - for the record, I am glad you are doing the GSP and posting it to your website. This will be a big help for me, who likes to get an idea of a direction when she is doing stuff like this. :)

chronarchy March 2 2006, 13:50:20 UTC

Well, ya'll are writing a "constitution" or something (I admit, I'm still not sure what exactly is being done, but we peons rarely are). Maybe time to revisit this document? I know I certainly learned a lot about ADF's Vision from before I was a member by reading it all the way through. I know I did that when I joined, but that was five years ago. . . It's amazing what you can forget in that short amount of time. Heck, I've quoted it a *number* of times in the past five years, and even re-read specific sections, but re-reading the whole thing was rather eye-opening to me ( ... )

qorinda March 2 2006, 20:15:56 UTC

I think we finished the Constitution part, which is basically like a mission statement or a vision statement. We are slowly working our way through the bylaws. I have tried to put something in about personal relationships, but it doesn't seem to stick. Alas.

I like your idea of people reading Isaac's vision again though, and reviewing it periodically to maintain that continuity.

As for the GSP, maybe one of these days, I will have time to actually work on it. heheheh