Original sin.

Jul 14, 2008 20:38

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martiancyclist July 14 2008, 20:04:16 UTC
"I was conceived in iniquity, and in sins did my mother bear me" is the translation my parish uses; it's Psalm 51 in your Bible; Psalm 50 in ours.

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mintogrubb July 14 2008, 20:16:33 UTC
Hi five - to paraphrase Eric Morcambe " I used all the right words , but not neccassarily in the right order".

You mean we get an extra psalm and you gusy don't? that does not seem fair (:
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martiancyclist July 14 2008, 20:25:11 UTC
Nah; we get the extra Psalm (:

We have the same Psalms 1-9 and 148-150; your 9 and 10 are our 9, our 146 and 147 are your 147. Then just to throw things off a bit more, we combine your 114 and 115 into our 113, and split your 116 into our 114 and 115. Then, for good measure, we have Psalm 151 at the end, though we never use it much, as far as I can tell.

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mintogrubb July 14 2008, 20:38:05 UTC
So, you get the same verses, but divided up a different way?
Now that is interesting, but I take this verse as saying ' we are all basically sinful - david is not exceptional here'

So, would it be Un christian, unorthodx or ' heretical' to deny the doctrine that we inherit sin from our parents, real or metaphorical?

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amergina July 14 2008, 20:15:30 UTC
Check out the conversation three posts down.

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mintogrubb July 14 2008, 20:17:44 UTC
On my way...

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jadedofmara July 14 2008, 20:15:59 UTC
So there's my take on this- what's yours, and your Church's?From the London Baptist Confession of Faith (1689) -- Chapter Six - Of the Fall of Man, of Sin, and of Punishment Thereof ( ... )

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etruth July 14 2008, 23:42:01 UTC
Thank you ma'am

Oh boy, imputed guilt! That's gonna make a few people mad if they actually take the moment to read it. Of course, I'm not sure where they'll get their imputed grace!

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jadedofmara July 14 2008, 23:56:22 UTC
That's gonna make a few people mad if they actually take the moment to read it.

That's us Calvinists for you -- making people mad since the 16th century... ;)

Of course, I'm not sure where they'll get their imputed grace!

So true! Benefiting so much as I do from imputed grace, I don't know how I could possibly say to God that this original sin business is unfair.

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cmaried July 15 2008, 05:45:14 UTC
LOL! A Calvinist thread in christianity?

Haven't seen that in a while!:-)

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arago_sama July 14 2008, 20:22:10 UTC
I don't think Jesus needed to speak on it in particular because his whole point was to save the world which regardless of how it came about was in a state of sin. We know the world itself is fallen, and not just man. Being born into a fallen world makes you tainted, if not the fact that your parents are sinners ( ... )

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capheine July 14 2008, 20:24:29 UTC
I'm down with your last paragraph. We're born with a me me me me me me now now now now now now instinct and... well, you already said it.

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