if only it were that easy
In a comment left, here
Actually for me and for many others the main problems are uncontrolled censorship by AT and double standards which AT uses. And is he Jew or not Jew this does not matter - if he was a Tatar despot I would also be against him. But I think all means are good against zulm (non-democratic actions) - so if antisemitism helps for somebody to support the antiSUP actions, this is a kind of useful antisemitism:-)
And in a comment left, here
if anything, if there any kind of these anti-semitism folks are going to *help* us, that will soo backfire on everything... insanity on a whole new level.
Yeah, *no*. That's not how it works, people. There is no such thing as "useful antisemitism". Hating SUP because of shoddy implementations, shady informational policies, and extremely unappealing business methodologies, is one thing. Hating them because they are *run by Jews* is quite another thing entirely.
There's a huge amount of Russian anti-SUP sentiment out there, and a lot of it is for logical reasons. But a large chunk of it has nothing to with SUP itself - it has to do with the fact that SUP is run by Jews. It's ugly. It's really, really ugly. It's a reminder that supporting free speech, ALL free speech (which I do), means that along with my porny fanfic, I also support and encourage people's rights to post repulsive shit like this. These people hate SUP too. Do you really think it's because of their draconian business practices?
When antisemitism is the reason, it doesn't matter if SUP decides to give back basic accounts, notify everybody of all new changes weeks before making them, and gives each and every one of us a shiny new rainbow pony that will fly you around the lake. It's still going to be *run by Jews*.
It'd be awfully nice if the company we've given so much money, time and attention to respected us a little more and had some more consideration about their customer base. But you know, antisemites are not our brothers-in-arms. While you're busy hoisting the colors, you might want to take a little look at who's standing there, right beside you. Because, if there's one thing I want even *less* than being accidentally helped out by antisemites, it's to find out that instead of just that, I've helped *them*. I really don't think they're in it for the shiny flying pony.
ETA: Oh, the timing! I'd laugh...if it wasn't so repulsive.
ETA2: Actually, go read what technosage said instead. She's smarter.
ETAeternity: People coming over here from metafandom, since apparently my message isn't clear enough here, let me spell it out:
- I am not saying that people shouldn't strike.
- I am not saying it is silly to hate SUP for logical reasons even though it is also a target of antisemitism
- I am not saying that if you strike you are an antisemite or letting the antisemites win.
- What I *am* saying is that I believe in informed opinions, and that the enemy of your enemy isn't always your friend - even though on the surface it may look that way.
- Oh, and by the way, people aren't posting about this to "deliberately attempt to discredit the strike". We're posting because it's *true*.
That's all. Whether you choose to strike or not to strike is up to you, just as it always has been.
Actually for me and for many others the main problems are uncontrolled censorship by AT and double standards which AT uses. And is he Jew or not Jew this does not matter - if he was a Tatar despot I would also be against him. But I think all means are good against zulm (non-democratic actions) - so if antisemitism helps for somebody to support the antiSUP actions, this is a kind of useful antisemitism:-)
And in a comment left, here
if anything, if there any kind of these anti-semitism folks are going to *help* us, that will soo backfire on everything... insanity on a whole new level.
Yeah, *no*. That's not how it works, people. There is no such thing as "useful antisemitism". Hating SUP because of shoddy implementations, shady informational policies, and extremely unappealing business methodologies, is one thing. Hating them because they are *run by Jews* is quite another thing entirely.
There's a huge amount of Russian anti-SUP sentiment out there, and a lot of it is for logical reasons. But a large chunk of it has nothing to with SUP itself - it has to do with the fact that SUP is run by Jews. It's ugly. It's really, really ugly. It's a reminder that supporting free speech, ALL free speech (which I do), means that along with my porny fanfic, I also support and encourage people's rights to post repulsive shit like this. These people hate SUP too. Do you really think it's because of their draconian business practices?
When antisemitism is the reason, it doesn't matter if SUP decides to give back basic accounts, notify everybody of all new changes weeks before making them, and gives each and every one of us a shiny new rainbow pony that will fly you around the lake. It's still going to be *run by Jews*.
It'd be awfully nice if the company we've given so much money, time and attention to respected us a little more and had some more consideration about their customer base. But you know, antisemites are not our brothers-in-arms. While you're busy hoisting the colors, you might want to take a little look at who's standing there, right beside you. Because, if there's one thing I want even *less* than being accidentally helped out by antisemites, it's to find out that instead of just that, I've helped *them*. I really don't think they're in it for the shiny flying pony.
ETA: Oh, the timing! I'd laugh...if it wasn't so repulsive.
ETA2: Actually, go read what technosage said instead. She's smarter.
ETAeternity: People coming over here from metafandom, since apparently my message isn't clear enough here, let me spell it out:
- I am not saying that people shouldn't strike.
- I am not saying it is silly to hate SUP for logical reasons even though it is also a target of antisemitism
- I am not saying that if you strike you are an antisemite or letting the antisemites win.
- What I *am* saying is that I believe in informed opinions, and that the enemy of your enemy isn't always your friend - even though on the surface it may look that way.
- Oh, and by the way, people aren't posting about this to "deliberately attempt to discredit the strike". We're posting because it's *true*.
That's all. Whether you choose to strike or not to strike is up to you, just as it always has been.