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wolfy_writing February 15 2010, 07:17:52 UTC
Is there some rule that every film adaptation of a Sarah Waters novel has to add some near-rape scene that wasn't in the book? Because I haven't seen Fingersmith yet, but I've seen Tipping The Velvet and Affinity, and they both have it.

It annoys me. And I'm slightly dreading watching Fingersmith, which has loads of creepy and dramatic menaces without adding in random rapist man.

But I'm up to the "May I be used" scene, which is good.

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cenea February 15 2010, 15:31:42 UTC
I've not actually seen any of these adaptions apart for 'tipping the velvet' years ago, but that was before I read the book. I'm a bit funny about watching film and TV adaptions of some books I like, so that's probably why I've been hesitant... And also means I can't let you know what they've done to Fingersmith! Sorry ;)

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wolfy_writing February 15 2010, 18:30:39 UTC
Aw, poo.

They're not as good as the books, from what I've seen. Still reasonably good, although like I said, both Affinity and Tipping The Velvet have weird, gratuitous, "Our Heroine nearly gets raped!" scenes.

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wolfy_writing February 17 2010, 10:39:22 UTC
For what it's worth, Fingersmith doesn't have any Gratuitous Rapist at all. There's a bit of plot-reshuffling, but it's pretty true to the book, and the tinkering is less stupid and weird.

(It's an irritation of mine that female fictional characters doing interesting and unusual things are far too often beset by the Raping Legions of the Patriarchy who are there to teach you a lesson about how dangerous it is for a girl to step out of line. It's one of the weird little reasons why I'm more comfortable reading stories involving rape where the victim/potential victim is a guy - it has less of the skeevy "Look what happens to a girl who steps out of place!" feel. And one thing I like about Sarah Waters books is that her female characters, who do complicated and interesting things in various ways, don't have the Obligatory Rape/Near Rape experience as punishment. Hence the grumpiness about the movie versions. And why it's appallingly easy to provoke me to write rapefic on anonmemes.)

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asilia February 15 2010, 11:02:54 UTC
That newspaper clipping looks pretty awesome!

I do love the whumpiness of this (but that shouldn't be surprising!). Poor Markie, starving himself but there is something I enjoy a little too much about skinny!weak!Mark...

And it's just scary how Simon goes from being rough with Mark to being all tender - I have to say it's the second that makes me cringe. I hope someone does stick something up his arse and make it explode soon ;)

Great update, can't wait for more!

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cenea February 15 2010, 15:34:30 UTC
Thanks! It was really easy and fun to make. If you ever fancy doing one for any of your stories, I'll send you the link :)

"...there is something I enjoy a little too much about skinny!weak!Mark..." - hehe, we really do share a muse, don't we?

Simon is definitely creepy, although I sometimes I wonder if I'm not very good at making him down and out evil. I should be, for really, because what he's done in this world is completely vile...which does make him being tender and sweet pretty revolting, as you say :P

Thanks for reading, more very soon :)

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asilia February 15 2010, 15:37:48 UTC
Our evil muses must be twins, or something ;)

I already think that the real Simon Cowell is quite creepy so...

Can't wait for more :D

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cenea February 15 2010, 16:09:44 UTC
I have a feeling they might be... ;)

I have to agree, I do find him creepy too, and also a very useful RPS villain so, in a way, we have to be grateful to him for his creepiness and meglomaniac tendencies!

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wolfy_writing February 18 2010, 10:36:29 UTC
Question - do you think there's a potential historical fiction novel in the Piratical (And Possibly Bisexual) Adventures of Anne Bonny and Mary Read? Because they were pirates together, they were the only women who were convicted of piracy in the 18th century, and Calico Jack Rackham was jealous of "Mark" Read spending so much time around his pirate girlfriend until Mark turned out to actually be Mary. (No, this does not need to be a Take That AU). They did go in for men, according to all historical records, but that doesn't exactly preclude "There was actually something between them" (Calico Jack possibly not believing there could be anything between two women, possibly not caring as it didn't affect things like paternity, and possibly being in to that sort of thing.) And it'd make a good story.

ETA: Never mind. Apparently there already is one.

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cenea February 18 2010, 16:43:34 UTC
Female pirates are an awesome topic for a novel, though. No novel needs to be the last word on a matter! Besides, if that one is based on real events from history, there are always more awesome female pirates to be invented... :D

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wolfy_writing February 18 2010, 18:36:12 UTC
I might make up some 'inspired by' pirates, yeah.

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cenea February 18 2010, 19:12:18 UTC
That would be good! It would be lots of fun researching the setting and everything, too. Although at the moment, my main trouble is too much research which is distracting me from actually writing a bloody thing....

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