TBH, I can't remember which ones I've seen and which I haven't. And I don't really care. I struggled with last season and didn't see them all. I've never been a casual viewer of DW, but Moffat has done more than turn me off it, he's made me not care about remembering it.
Ep 4 - The Doctor's Wife is definitely worth watching.
The end of this week's episode has really squicked me out, as you can tell. I do want to know what happens, but I'm becoming less and less imclined to give Moffat the benefit of the doubt.
I agree. I only just watched it, and although I was completely spoiled for the episode and knew what to expect, I still found the end massively disturbing
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I thought the yelling was him letting off a bit of steam becuase he's known all along that she's a copy - also, it was part of his plan to get clone!Amy to give free reign to her prejudices, wasn't it?
The plot twist could have worked without cutting the link - Moffat just wanted the sensationalism of the visual of Eleven "killing" his companion. See, that I can handle. Possibly because there was an (admittedly brief) explanation given for it, and possibly because I don't care about Amy all that much.
But the idea of using a baby as a plot point sickens me.
I think this is going to be a "Is it just me? ...ooookay apparently it is just me." situation for me. Well, clearly it's not just me, but being wholly skeeved out and turned off seems to be the minority reaction.
Yeah. It seems we're in the minority which really surprises me. But then, I stand by what I've said about the majority of the reviewers being blokes who just don't get it.
I really and truly don't make such sweeping generalisations as a rule. It just shows how much this has got to me.
I'm not going to get outraged until I get more information from the story.
It's not an excuse, but alien pregnancy is a bit of a sci fi trope that I find interesting and wonder what Moffat is going to do with it. I'm not sure "women can only get pregnant" = "alien pregnancy stories are always misogynistic" or the notion that because a guy is writing it that it somehow makes the story worse or more misogynistic. Also, I'm willing to bet Moffat doesn't think that kidnapping Amy and making her pregnant with (presumably) the Doctor's baby to regrow TimeLords is a good thing.
I guess there's a good argument to be made that this isn't particularly Family Friendly, but I don't watch with that in mind, so I'm not so worried about that. But I certainly understand why people with kids who watch it might be upset.
"alien pregnancy stories are always misogynistic or the notion that because a guy is writing it that it somehow makes the story worse or more misogynistic."
To be fair, that's not what the person caz963 was quoting said: she said that turning it into a *horror* story has misogyny. It's perfectly feasible to do an alien pregnancy story where the heroine/victim turns the tables - this happened in Torchwood, when Gwen Cooper got spontaneously "impregnated" by an alien bite wound and then foiled the alien plot. That episode ended up being empowering, not .... franctic surprised pregnant girl screaming in horror because, after all, that's what women do. I believe the OP meant it in that context.
franctic surprised pregnant girl screaming in horror because, after all, that's what women do.
Seriously? This is what you get from three seconds of screaming? You think that might be because she's finally clued in to the fact she's been held against her will for nine months? That she hasn't had a chance to come to terms with her pregnancy and it's just been sprung on her? Seriously, imagine if you woke up nine-months pregnant - I'm not sure you'd go calmly about your day.
Again, I'm waiting to see how this plays out. I do have a problem with characters being sidelined to serve plot if the character is diminished by it - and I understand this subject matter is tricky AND squicky for some people.
But we don't know how this story is going to play out yet, though obviously it's already crossed several lines with some people.
Seriously? This is what you get from three seconds of screaming?
Honestly, no. This is what I get from multiple seasons of Moffat treating his female protagonists and supporting cast like mindless, ovesexualized, helpless, naggy plot devices. Spotting the pattern becomes second nature after a while.
You think that might be because she's finally clued in to the fact she's been held against her will for nine months? That she hasn't had a chance to come to terms with her pregnancy and it's just been sprung on her? Seriously, imagine if you woke up nine-months pregnant - I'm not sure you'd go calmly about your day.I refer again to my example from Torchwood - Gwen Cooper goes to bed with a flat tummy, wakes up, yawns and looks down at her 9-month-preggo belly. Then she carpe-diems it and kicks some alien butt
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... completely agreed with everything you've written. It is squicky in the extreme. You know my feeling on Moffat, so I lump it into the pile of "little things that speak volumes". Cannot wait til he's out.
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The end of this week's episode has really squicked me out, as you can tell. I do want to know what happens, but I'm becoming less and less imclined to give Moffat the benefit of the doubt.
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The plot twist could have worked without cutting the link - Moffat just wanted the sensationalism of the visual of Eleven "killing" his companion. See, that I can handle. Possibly because there was an (admittedly brief) explanation given for it, and possibly because I don't care about Amy all that much.
But the idea of using a baby as a plot point sickens me.
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I really and truly don't make such sweeping generalisations as a rule. It just shows how much this has got to me.
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It's not an excuse, but alien pregnancy is a bit of a sci fi trope that I find interesting and wonder what Moffat is going to do with it. I'm not sure "women can only get pregnant" = "alien pregnancy stories are always misogynistic" or the notion that because a guy is writing it that it somehow makes the story worse or more misogynistic. Also, I'm willing to bet Moffat doesn't think that kidnapping Amy and making her pregnant with (presumably) the Doctor's baby to regrow TimeLords is a good thing.
I guess there's a good argument to be made that this isn't particularly Family Friendly, but I don't watch with that in mind, so I'm not so worried about that. But I certainly understand why people with kids who watch it might be upset.
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To be fair, that's not what the person caz963 was quoting said: she said that turning it into a *horror* story has misogyny. It's perfectly feasible to do an alien pregnancy story where the heroine/victim turns the tables - this happened in Torchwood, when Gwen Cooper got spontaneously "impregnated" by an alien bite wound and then foiled the alien plot. That episode ended up being empowering, not .... franctic surprised pregnant girl screaming in horror because, after all, that's what women do. I believe the OP meant it in that context.
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Seriously? This is what you get from three seconds of screaming? You think that might be because she's finally clued in to the fact she's been held against her will for nine months? That she hasn't had a chance to come to terms with her pregnancy and it's just been sprung on her? Seriously, imagine if you woke up nine-months pregnant - I'm not sure you'd go calmly about your day.
Again, I'm waiting to see how this plays out. I do have a problem with characters being sidelined to serve plot if the character is diminished by it - and I understand this subject matter is tricky AND squicky for some people.
But we don't know how this story is going to play out yet, though obviously it's already crossed several lines with some people.
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Honestly, no. This is what I get from multiple seasons of Moffat treating his female protagonists and supporting cast like mindless, ovesexualized, helpless, naggy plot devices. Spotting the pattern becomes second nature after a while.
You think that might be because she's finally clued in to the fact she's been held against her will for nine months? That she hasn't had a chance to come to terms with her pregnancy and it's just been sprung on her? Seriously, imagine if you woke up nine-months pregnant - I'm not sure you'd go calmly about your day.I refer again to my example from Torchwood - Gwen Cooper goes to bed with a flat tummy, wakes up, yawns and looks down at her 9-month-preggo belly. Then she carpe-diems it and kicks some alien butt ( ... )
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