Can't fight the revolution with post-revolutionary tools -- if we were only allowed to use "pure" tools to fight the revolution, we'd never have one, 'cause the only way to get pure tools is to already be past the revolution.
I would also challenge the contention that the internet is a construction due entirely to capitalism. ARPANet and several other chunks of the main corpora were constructed by and for university research organizations, funded by a centralized, well-funded government. Sounds suspiciously socialist to me, but what do I know?
(While I'm sniping:) Furthermore, calling the big backbone companies that currently dominate the market "private enterprise" is disingenuous at best. They're huge corporate monsters, not the small business{men|women} that the phrase "private enterprise" entails
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this is the response i emailed to aaron(did you check out the full question? he posted it in my last journal entry and that's where i linked to
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Bravo, catzilla. I whole-heartedly concur with your response; and yes, I did read the whole entry. I was responding to that entry, not just the one-sentence teaser.
I like the example of social-justice movements as a product of capitalism, too. At some level, the impulse to reject anything tainted causes us to reject people who are just not quite as far along as we are; rather, we should treat them as comrades (oo, maybe a bad choice of word) who are on board for the struggle.
As you're saying in the first paragraph above: rejecting association with existing systems just means nobody knows you're there. This reminds me of some of the anti-racist work I've been struggling with, especially the lesson that white folks who are fighting to end racism need to be working with white folks, not just with people of color. If you spend all your time working in the communities of color, you aren't doing one of the most important things white people can do -- educating other white folks
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via la internet!geroge_w_ladenJuly 17 2003, 19:27:33 UTC
I basiclly started contemplating the idea when I was watching an episode of the show Penn and Tellers Bullshit, and figured I would try to get some input, so no I am not trying to antagonise...and if I was Cat would be the last person to get going cause she is a great debator
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Can't fight the revolution with post-revolutionary tools -- if we were only allowed to use "pure" tools to fight the revolution, we'd never have one, 'cause the only way to get pure tools is to already be past the revolution.
I would also challenge the contention that the internet is a construction due entirely to capitalism. ARPANet and several other chunks of the main corpora were constructed by and for university research organizations, funded by a centralized, well-funded government. Sounds suspiciously socialist to me, but what do I know?
(While I'm sniping:) Furthermore, calling the big backbone companies that currently dominate the market "private enterprise" is disingenuous at best. They're huge corporate monsters, not the small business{men|women} that the phrase "private enterprise" entails ( ... )
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I like the example of social-justice movements as a product of capitalism, too. At some level, the impulse to reject anything tainted causes us to reject people who are just not quite as far along as we are; rather, we should treat them as comrades (oo, maybe a bad choice of word) who are on board for the struggle.
As you're saying in the first paragraph above: rejecting association with existing systems just means nobody knows you're there. This reminds me of some of the anti-racist work I've been struggling with, especially the lesson that white folks who are fighting to end racism need to be working with white folks, not just with people of color. If you spend all your time working in the communities of color, you aren't doing one of the most important things white people can do -- educating other white folks ( ... )
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