I was horrified when Sam couldn't spring the trap by breaking the ball--and completely understood, Chuck really did a number on his head. And I think it was the idea that without Chuck monsters will take over the world that did Sam in. I really, really wanted Sam to say 'screw your awful future, we'll make a different one...again' but he couldn't take the chance
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I think Chuck is saying that he's been deliberately setting things up in their favor, vs the monsters, and if he's not there, the monsters take over. So if he were locked up, there would still be balance, and the world would survive, but there wouldn't be anything damping down on the monsters. And I wish they had given us even the TINIEST reason for Cas to throw the ball to Sam. Dean could have had his bell rung, he could have been holding Eileen back, anything. And yes, Cas's escape in Purgatory was ridiculously easy.
It felt like this was the "Cas is DONE with Dean's shit" episode. :) I laughed out loud when Cas told Dean to "Stop being so stupid."
I think you're right about the ending - it's not going to be the Butch and Sundance thing. I think, because it's what we have thought we were going to get all these years, that that is absolutely what we are NOT going to get. In fact, I wonder if the endgame is that they just quit. They retire from hunting and settle down somewhere - because the only way to win is not to play? I know Jensen originally said that he had trouble getting his head around the ending, and that's probably something that seems like it would give him pause.
When Chuck was reluctant to use the knife on Sam, I thought it was because he knew it was going to hurt HIM as well. Because I thought we'd already established that. I really hate that the writers can't remember what they already did in earlier episodes of the same season.
Also I laughed out loud at the start your engine gif bwaha. Me too ahem.
I thought the kiss was just right, and gosh mr padalecki can kiss hnng, shoshanna looked quite overcome, and I perfectly understood.
I am hoping now that cas and dean are best buds again, that this means that cas will go out in a blaze of glory soon, sacrificing himself for the greater good.
Thought the ep was nice and tense, but the werewolf scene did pull me out of the story, it was hilarious, and I can’t wait for the bloopers. I think it was Robert Singers directing, he can do basic stuff, but put in something out of the ordinary and he can’t do it. Richard Speights framing etc for the previous ep was stellar in comparison.
Love me some hurt Sam, and angsty dean, and shall make more gifs to prove it.
I keep forgetting that's you! But thanks for all you do. <333
I don't know if we can blame Singer for the ridiculous snarling. Didn't Dean fang out in the ep where he was a vampire? Why couldn't they just use that as an example?
I'm kinda weirded out by how much amazing content we had in this episode (totally on with you about the Emmy reel fucking ten times over!!) only to then have it mushed together with such disparate parts in between. I can deal with the Destiel allusions to be honest, if we get Sam choosing to go for Dean as his lodestar every time and Dean finally acknowledges that he trust Sam's judgement implicitely on the big picture stuff. I thought Sam and Eileen had a good end, even though seriously the direction on those lingering looks leaving was a bit cheesy for my tastes, I never bought into the big romance thing, to me it was, if they were going to be together, it would have been a pragmatically loving relationship and not a love for the aeons type thing (seriously, fifteen years of building that shit on Samn'Dean and they expect us to hop onto that train with life five episodes?), but I like Eileen, I'm glad she survived the Sam-peen-o-death (the second time anyway
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Thank you, it's good to be back. Let's see if I can keep it up. :-/
I don't remember if I said it on LJ or Tumblr or both, but I think the best-case scenario with Eileen would have been friends with benefits. Because yeah, she's never going to be number one in Sam's life. That spot's taken. I would like her saying "ya no, I love being with you, but I can't make this a full time thing." And yes, Dean trusting Sam so completely - that was unexpected. And glorious.
I actually would have loved for them to have gotten the fully realized friends-with-benefits angle (I still can't remember her early episodes well enough to figure out why that wasn't a given, but to me, she always read as in that column) because boys - and girls - have needs after all, and if there's someone out there more touchstarved than the Winchesters, you show me (I mean the way they HUG when they get to do it...). But it also would have given voice and screentime to a kind of romantic (well, romantic adjecent) human connection that is not the norm and therfore greviously underserved in the narrative arena of our times even now. I've always felt a certain warmth and sturdiness in the dynamic between Sam and Eileen that was both deeply platonic and flirty/sexy at the same time. People can be what they need to each other without fitting into that great-romantic-lovestory mold and I'd have loved to see that. Ah well, that's what we got fanfic for :)
I loathed the Purgatory sections. I didn't feel like it was particular shipping fodder, because calling Cas his best friend is one of the least romantic things you would say to a lover in that situation. But it was just so pointless - needless off-screen kill of Benny, no good fighting, since when are there angel traps that don't involve holy oil because the boys would have been ALL OVER THAT many a time, and Cas just "escapes somehow"? My theory is that they had to scrub the action scenes because Misha needed hip surgery, but really, I've got nothing here. It was bad
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Oh, god, those memes, thank you. Those are marvelous.
And no, I didn't consider Dean's declaration of *friendship* to be ship fodder either. But shippers do.
I think Sam knew not to break the ball because even though he didn't know exactly what Dean and Cas were doing, he knew it was something meant to take Chuck out of the game, and he knew that was what would lead to the future he saw.
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I think you're right about the ending - it's not going to be the Butch and Sundance thing. I think, because it's what we have thought we were going to get all these years, that that is absolutely what we are NOT going to get. In fact, I wonder if the endgame is that they just quit. They retire from hunting and settle down somewhere - because the only way to win is not to play? I know Jensen originally said that he had trouble getting his head around the ending, and that's probably something that seems like it would give him pause.
When Chuck was reluctant to use the knife on Sam, I thought it was because he knew it was going to hurt HIM as well.
Because I thought we'd already established that. I really hate that the writers can't remember what they already did in earlier episodes of the same season.
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Also I laughed out loud at the start your engine gif bwaha. Me too ahem.
I thought the kiss was just right, and gosh mr padalecki can kiss hnng, shoshanna looked quite overcome, and I perfectly understood.
I am hoping now that cas and dean are best buds again, that this means that cas will go out in a blaze of glory soon, sacrificing himself for the greater good.
Thought the ep was nice and tense, but the werewolf scene did pull me out of the story, it was hilarious, and I can’t wait for the bloopers.
I think it was Robert Singers directing, he can do basic stuff, but put in something out of the ordinary and he can’t do it. Richard Speights framing etc for the previous ep was stellar in comparison.
Love me some hurt Sam, and angsty dean, and shall make more gifs to prove it.
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I don't know if we can blame Singer for the ridiculous snarling. Didn't Dean fang out in the ep where he was a vampire? Why couldn't they just use that as an example?
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I don't remember if I said it on LJ or Tumblr or both, but I think the best-case scenario with Eileen would have been friends with benefits. Because yeah, she's never going to be number one in Sam's life. That spot's taken. I would like her saying "ya no, I love being with you, but I can't make this a full time thing." And yes, Dean trusting Sam so completely - that was unexpected. And glorious.
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And no, I didn't consider Dean's declaration of *friendship* to be ship fodder either. But shippers do.
I think Sam knew not to break the ball because even though he didn't know exactly what Dean and Cas were doing, he knew it was something meant to take Chuck out of the game, and he knew that was what would lead to the future he saw.
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