Re: your first point -- ooh ooh I've been wanting to discuss this one. So, uh, apologies for dumping this all on you, when you're not the first one to say it or anything?
I talked about this some here. But basically, I am really, really annoyed with blaming fans who "can't get over it." Because the situations do have some parallels. But there is also a huge, vast difference.
(There's also a smaller difference, in that at this point, Dean has "given up on Mary" for all of four days. Four days of not looking while you mourn is different from a year. But anyway.)
The biggest difference is that Sam not looking for Dean is not why fans were mad at Sam/at the show. Not really. The reason fans were so angry is because the show, for some unknown reason, never actually showed us why, emotionally, Sam didn't look for Dean.
Dean thinks Mary is dead and gone and can't be saved. But he wants to save her. We see him insisting it's impossible, but we also see him begging Chuck to bring her back. We see him looking miserable and saying goodbye
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The biggest difference is that Sam not looking for Dean is not why fans were mad at Sam/at the show. Not really. The reason fans were so angry is because the show, for some unknown reason, never actually showed us why, emotionally, Sam didn't look for Dean.I understand that you see this, but I don't. I mean, I see it from die-hard Sam!girls. We're angry that Show didn't show this, but we accept that it's there. We accept that Show just decided, as it often does, to gloss over whatever's happening in Sam's head. But there are others out there who aren't as sympathetic, who insist that, because Dean blamed Sam for not looking for him, then that means Sam is to blame for not looking for him. So much of the show is from Dean's POV, so I can kind of see why they'd lean toward "Dean said this was bad so IT WAS BAD" without accepting that Dean may not be the most objective person in this situation. So yeah, I see more "why didn't Sam look for Dean," and less "why didn't they explicitly show us the perfectly legitimate reason why Sam didn't
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So yeah, I see more "why didn't Sam look for Dean," and less "why didn't they explicitly show us the perfectly legitimate reason why Sam didn't look for Dean; the reason we all know exists." I see it a lot.
Hmm, but that's what I'm trying to say? That fans blamed Sam in a large part because the show didn't give them a reason not to blame Sam. The show did not make Sam's position at the start of s8 as sympathetic as they could have, so many fans didn't sympathize with him. While as right now, the show is making Dean's position with regards to Mary very sympathetic, and fans are sympathizing with him. But that's not (necessarily) because they like Dean more; that's because the show is playing the situations very differently, so fans are responding to them very differently.
So much of the show is from Dean's POV, so I can kind of see why they'd lean toward "Dean said this was bad so IT WAS BAD" without accepting that Dean may not be the most objective person in this situation. This part I'm confused by. It sounds like you're saying
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I talked about this some here. But basically, I am really, really annoyed with blaming fans who "can't get over it." Because the situations do have some parallels. But there is also a huge, vast difference.
(There's also a smaller difference, in that at this point, Dean has "given up on Mary" for all of four days. Four days of not looking while you mourn is different from a year. But anyway.)
The biggest difference is that Sam not looking for Dean is not why fans were mad at Sam/at the show. Not really. The reason fans were so angry is because the show, for some unknown reason, never actually showed us why, emotionally, Sam didn't look for Dean.
Dean thinks Mary is dead and gone and can't be saved. But he wants to save her. We see him insisting it's impossible, but we also see him begging Chuck to bring her back. We see him looking miserable and saying goodbye ( ... )
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Hmm, but that's what I'm trying to say? That fans blamed Sam in a large part because the show didn't give them a reason not to blame Sam. The show did not make Sam's position at the start of s8 as sympathetic as they could have, so many fans didn't sympathize with him. While as right now, the show is making Dean's position with regards to Mary very sympathetic, and fans are sympathizing with him. But that's not (necessarily) because they like Dean more; that's because the show is playing the situations very differently, so fans are responding to them very differently.
So much of the show is from Dean's POV, so I can kind of see why they'd lean toward "Dean said this was bad so IT WAS BAD" without accepting that Dean may not be the most objective person in this situation. This part I'm confused by. It sounds like you're saying ( ... )
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