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fufaraw March 24 2017, 20:42:14 UTC
Yeah, love this. Makes complete sense.

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caranfindel March 26 2017, 00:59:25 UTC
Thanks!

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quickreaver March 25 2017, 05:11:48 UTC
DAMN. Yep. I just...I never understood Dean, in that moment. It still kinda doesn't make sense to me.

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caranfindel March 26 2017, 00:59:02 UTC
I can kind of understand him. He kills monsters. At this point, he's very black-and-white about it. Amy killed people, so she's a danger. And he doesn't trust Sam's judgement because he's hallucinating Lucifer.

And yet... I think he would have done the same thing even if Sam weren't having hallucinations. So I can kind of understand him but not fully excuse him.

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z_publicizes March 26 2017, 02:20:30 UTC
Dean is also not in a good place at that point in s7. Well, at any point--but that period in season 7 has him rapidly spiraling into depression with all the attendant fatalistic outlook. I actually think the most important line for his motivation over killing Amy is the one he says to her about how "the other shoe will drop. It always does."--which is him echoing a line he says to Bobby earlier in the episode, about Sam's Cage trauma and whether Sam can ever be okay. Just the episode prior, he leaves that voicemail for Bobby, the one where he says "If you’re gone, I swear, I am going to strap my Beautiful Mind brother into the car and I’m gonna drive us off the pier." So I think it's reasonable to suggest that his own decision-making capacity might be somewhat impaired at the time ( ... )

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amypond45 March 26 2017, 18:50:35 UTC
Interesting how fatalistic Dean is vs. Sam's belief (hope?) that people can change, that they don't have to become what their destinies tell them to be. "It's not who or what you are, it's what you do."

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z_publicizes March 25 2017, 15:28:21 UTC
*clutches heart.* Damn, now I want to read about Sam trying to help Jacob survive while also trying to guide Jacob away from his avenging-my-mother's-death mission. I've got a thing for Sam adopting monster kids ever since that Wild Things fic of foolscapper's.

Black, extra shot, no food with it--seems to be TV shorthand for stripped down to merely functioning, hasn't been sleeping well, trying to survive the day.

My own taste in coffee is sometimes black/sometimes Yuppie-drowning-in-syrup depending on the time of day and whether it falls more under "utilitarian" or "pleasure," so, there's that.

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caranfindel March 26 2017, 00:55:21 UTC
Damn, now I want to read about Sam trying to help Jacob survive while also trying to guide Jacob away from his avenging-my-mother's-death mission.

I've actually read this. Wish I'd bookmarked it.

(ETA: yes, that fic is so good!)

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amypond45 March 25 2017, 19:59:04 UTC
The whole thing with Amy still drives me nuts. My initial reaction when I first watched Dean kill Amy was that he was doing it out of jealousy. He might have told himself (and later Sam) that he did it because she was killing people, but it sure felt like jealousy to me.

I do think Sam's obsessing here, since that's his usual M.O. The black coffee is definitely his way of coping -- not sleeping, not eating, obsessing the hell out of things.

Thanks for this great meta! I always enjoy reading and thinking about your posts!

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caranfindel March 26 2017, 00:55:44 UTC
Thank you'

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z_publicizes March 26 2017, 15:16:41 UTC
Do you mean jealousy over Sam's emotional tie to Amy? Because Sam has someone to lean on for support that isn't him?

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amypond45 March 26 2017, 18:43:34 UTC
Absolutely! But also because Amy saved Sam's life. Dean wasn't there when Sam was threatened because he was off hunting the thing that ended up almost killing his little brother behind Dean's back (harkening back to that episode with the Shtriga that almost killed 6-year-old Sam while Dean was off playing video games). Amy killed her own mother to save Sam. That's pretty messed up, especially since Amy and Sam barely knew each other. How could Dean ever hope to compete with that? (At least in his own mind, where he's a failure and a loser and a self-loathing high-school drop-out who's only good for one thing.)

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frozen_delight March 26 2017, 12:00:01 UTC
Interesting thoughts. I like this explanation.

(But do you honestly think the Magda thing is going to be addressed again? Somehow, I highly doubt it.)

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caranfindel March 26 2017, 12:37:25 UTC
I won't be surprised either way.

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quickreaver March 26 2017, 19:46:22 UTC
I'll be SUPER disappointed if the Magda thing doesn't come up again. Not gonna lie.

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