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Jan 27, 2005 10:25

New Brunswick refuses to pay for abortions, takes Ottawa to court.

""We don't agree with providing free services for abortion on demand," Robichaud said, explaining the province's long-standing position against easily accessible abortions. Apparently most, but not all, provinces pay for abortion. This appears, to me, a very Canadian thing to do - ( Read more... )

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gsyh January 27 2005, 16:06:41 UTC
The women who needs abortion the most, are the ones who are financially disadvantaged. If New Brunswick want to opt out of this, they better lower the price of contraceptives and made wider its availablitiy, along with providing financial, housing, and daycare/nanny for disadvantaged mothers.

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profoundtruths January 27 2005, 16:19:34 UTC
I think that if they want to underfund a program that should be covered by CHST than they should lose the whole thing. There is no difference between this and when Klein wanted to underfund programs.

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mrgreenears January 27 2005, 16:39:06 UTC
In cases where a pregnancy is not life threatening or not severely crippling, it seems to me that abortion could be classified as unnecessary surgery. I'm not sure what the health system's policy is towards unnecessary surgery, but I don't think we should pay for another's vanity (eg. cosmetic surgery) or irresponsibility (eg. being overweight, or getting pregnant (except in cases of rape, of course)).

I expect my inbox to be overflowing when I get home.

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kali_kali January 27 2005, 17:26:02 UTC
I agree.

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gsyh January 27 2005, 17:31:03 UTC
According to the colourbar on your user info page, you think that abortion is homicide, therefore your agreement is not based on the fact that it's an unnecessary surgery(that waste taxpayer money), but that abortion is murder, and we shouldn't let women have it or have it so easily.

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kali_kali January 27 2005, 18:02:14 UTC
Man, what a way to just toss out someone's opinion like that. Does it ever occur to you that it isn't why I agree with the other person's statement?

I believe abortion is murder, yes. But I don't believe that abortion should be made illegal immediately because too many people still think it's acceptable. I aim more for making people realize that it's not acceptable for modern society and working towards a society without abortion by encouraging healthy and responsible sexuality.

But I'm also a libertarian. While I do believe in universal health care (to a point) for society right now, I believe that these health care funds should be funnelled to necessary medical care, not elective procedures.

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briasoleil January 27 2005, 17:47:49 UTC
I'm of the firm opinion that abortion must be widely available and free of charge. The costs otherwise can and will be astronomical.

Pregnancy occurs even in spite of protection. Says the woman who knows too many other women who became pregnant while using myriad and frequently multiple forms of birth control.

And really, what I do with my body is my concern and no one else's.

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lifeisacabaret January 27 2005, 18:05:21 UTC
Agreed.

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briasoleil January 27 2005, 19:57:18 UTC
While I appreciate that you believe it to be a person, I'm not of the same opinion. Until the fetus can breathe on its own outside of my body, it is not a person.

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jawnbc January 27 2005, 23:04:54 UTC
Few health outcomes can't be traced to some "choice" or "willful act" by those afflicted. Heart disease, many cancers, STIs, unwanted pregnancy, injuries all ostensibly are the result of "individual choice".

So to argue that one--or a few, usually sexuality-related--issue shouldn't be funded because those who need the procedure brought it upon themselves is selective and specious.

Besides, in a genuine social democracy, there shouldn't be this sort of pissing match. We should emphasize both access to care and services and education/health promotion. So more sexual health education with the pragmatics of contraception and conception in schools. Including same-sex sex.

Ideally, no woman would be put in a position that abortion is her best (though usually difficult) choice. I"d rather pay for my female fellow citizens to have access to quality effective health services of all kinds. Including abortion.

If you're anti-abortion, don't have one. Mind your own business about everyone else. Or go move to Jesusland the US.

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lifeisacabaret January 28 2005, 00:40:10 UTC
Agreed.

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briasoleil January 28 2005, 03:51:01 UTC
So very agreed.

If you're anti-abortion, don't have one. Mind your own business about everyone else. Or go move to Jesusland the US.

And I agree even more with this. Well said.

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