The BC government is trying to build a dam and a series of huge power lines through Pinecone Burke provincial park. This is significant for a few reasons
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im sorry my editorial tone put a bee in your bonnet. this was an opinion. it still is - i am of the opinion that campbell has fostered a pro-privatization policy climate.
gordo is cited in the title, which may have been misleading, and i apologize - all the "they's" in the post refer to run of river, the company in question. the presentation was merely facilitated by the government as part of a consultation process. the fact the government rejected it is great, especially considering the number of people who could not get into the meeting and requested prolonging the consultation time. it is nice to see that we are listened to, and i'll be sure to buy a nice virgin cocktail for mr campbell should i encounter him at a bar.
They're lying about being green. Hydro has its benefits compared to other forms of power, but anything that jeopardizes parkland is not green at all.
This is just a silly generalization, no? What if we could make Ontario free of any dependence on fossil fuels by taking one tenth of Algonquin Park and installing windmills all over that parcel of land. That would seem to jeopardize parkland but still seems very "green", if by 'green' you mean positive for the environment.
sustainable energy is important, but so is preservation of natural habitats. do we really achieve environmental goals while creating environmental setbacks?
i'm sorry for offending the internets with my editorial tone - this thing is basically in my backyard and i was just in a room of thousands of screaming people.
"Environmental" is too broad of a term and requires definitions for your argument. In terms of air pollution, any hydro-generation is environmental compared to fuel-burning generators, that's even at the expense of parklands.
In terms of preserving natural spaces, any development expansion/alteration is contrary to such goals, especially a dam which will flood vast areas.
What bugs me is people can't see the forest through the trees. Curbing the consumers appetite for energy is fundamental to broad environmental objectives. If we can't curb the appetite, then curbing the population makes the best sense. Suddenly we're in crisis mode all the while expecting energy demands to grow. The hybrid cars ain't gonna cut it. What's necessary is a one-child policy, as if that'll ever fly. Cull the people.
there are places that are not parks where they can run power lines. maybe you posters here don't go to parks, and i'm just some clueless fishing nut who thinks everyone feels parks are inherently wonderful. heh.
hydro is green power, but i don't think this is worth setting the precedent for bypassing the parks act.
i think we can work on curbing the appetite. this is one area where central planning has worked out in other jurisdictions, such as australia's move to ban incandescent bulbs and new york city's ban on those in-sink disposals. i think a reverse baby bonus (ie money for only having one kid) could be great, but i don't know that such an idea would fly.
are you even from bc? everyone here has a friend who has a friend whose ex works at the starbucks gordo frequents. he drinks breves. we suspect he might be on the atkins diet.
Born in Victoria, Raised in Port Alberni. Currently, I live in Victoria. I was the shift supervisor at Jame's Bay Starbucks right behind the legislature little over a year ago. Gordo, along with Mike Morton and Carole Taylor, would come to our store two or three times a week and would order that drink I just described. If he didn't come to our store he would send Mr. Morton.
No he's not on atkins but I believe he's a vegetarian.
Who is we? Is there a little conspiracy group pushing pins in Gordo Dolls?
I don't blame Campbell for it - the government got a ridiculous proposal and, as a result of huge public opposition, turned it down. I'm amused by it, and glad that something happened to show that the public can really have an effect on political decisions.
Run of the river plants are, in general, a good idea as energy plans go, but trying to build kilometers of road and power lines through a provincial park when there are many better sites available is idiotic. Developer says he hasn't given up, though.
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the vancouver papers are full of stories.
and anyway, we won.
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gordo is cited in the title, which may have been misleading, and i apologize - all the "they's" in the post refer to run of river, the company in question. the presentation was merely facilitated by the government as part of a consultation process. the fact the government rejected it is great, especially considering the number of people who could not get into the meeting and requested prolonging the consultation time. it is nice to see that we are listened to, and i'll be sure to buy a nice virgin cocktail for mr campbell should i encounter him at a bar.
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This is just a silly generalization, no? What if we could make Ontario free of any dependence on fossil fuels by taking one tenth of Algonquin Park and installing windmills all over that parcel of land. That would seem to jeopardize parkland but still seems very "green", if by 'green' you mean positive for the environment.
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i'm sorry for offending the internets with my editorial tone - this thing is basically in my backyard and i was just in a room of thousands of screaming people.
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In terms of preserving natural spaces, any development expansion/alteration is contrary to such goals, especially a dam which will flood vast areas.
What bugs me is people can't see the forest through the trees. Curbing the consumers appetite for energy is fundamental to broad environmental objectives. If we can't curb the appetite, then curbing the population makes the best sense. Suddenly we're in crisis mode all the while expecting energy demands to grow. The hybrid cars ain't gonna cut it. What's necessary is a one-child policy, as if that'll ever fly. Cull the people.
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hydro is green power, but i don't think this is worth setting the precedent for bypassing the parks act.
i think we can work on curbing the appetite. this is one area where central planning has worked out in other jurisdictions, such as australia's move to ban incandescent bulbs and new york city's ban on those in-sink disposals. i think a reverse baby bonus (ie money for only having one kid) could be great, but i don't know that such an idea would fly.
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No he's not on atkins but I believe he's a vegetarian.
Who is we? Is there a little conspiracy group pushing pins in Gordo Dolls?
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Run of the river plants are, in general, a good idea as energy plans go, but trying to build kilometers of road and power lines through a provincial park when there are many better sites available is idiotic. Developer says he hasn't given up, though.
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