Thank you so much for what you said about Ianto doing that to himself, when it comes to the whole 'couple' thing. I was wincing at that when I saw it and just shaking my head in pain. I mean, I do feel a bit (maybe more than a bit) sorry for him and his fears about Jack, but for heaven's sake, mate, take some of that time you're using to amass nice safe facts and put it to use studying some of the stuff that actually matters to and scares you!
*ahem*
I'm pretty sure, though, that in spite of their current difficulties, Jack would pick Ianto over the car. ;) He'd just have a tantrum first, give Ianto the bollocking of his short life and then make him buy the new car and have it kitted out. Perhaps a Veyron...?
I agree completely on everything else, very much including the 'being engrossed' part. I couldn't turn away from it. As soon as it becomes available, I'm buying the series in every possible form.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I can cope with a pretty boy dying - every programme has a pretty boy. If they kill the pterodactyl, I'm out.
(As I write this, I realise that blowing up the Hub doesn't look good for Myfanwy. Oh noes, they can't do that!)
I feel for him, seriously. He's not quite sure who he is or what he wants, and he thinks he has to write off options just because he's with Jack and that there's a lot of normal that he'll never do.
BUT. He seems to be wrong. Jack can keep and maintain a relationship over forty years with his daughter, even if it's a tenuous one. He was at her mother's funeral, so apparently he kept up lines of communication there, too. And Ianto would probably know this, if he just opened his mouth and asked. All he'd have to say is "what am I to you?" and he'd find out. But he's too scared to. And he doesn't articulate his feelings (which, apparently, is not a genetic thing).
I think Jack would want a hovercar to replace the SUV. Veyron's a bit low-key for him.
I am so worried about Myfanwy. She was the one who hooked me on the series.
You're quite right about Jack and his ability to sustain relationships. I think that he's actually craving them, but that he's always run into so much trouble of various sorts with them due to his immortality that he's become very good at Not Talking About Them. The way he all but spat out 'I hate the word "couple"' smacked far more of personal hurt than of philosophical difficulties, and Ianto is just confirming that Jack should be afraid of getting attached. If Ianto would just untuck his head from his carapace and take a genuine emotional risk, he'd probably get a damned pleasant surprise, but even looking and really listening seem insurmountable for him, when it comes to Jack.
Sorry. Mulling over fic that I'm outlining for yet another big bang thing.
I hadn't even thought of a hovercar. It's definitely a thought, although a Veyron might give Jack the speed he seeks whilst still keeping Torchwood 'low profile'. ;D
I can't believe he said he'd never heard of Torchwood while sat in the SUV. Secrecy, he fails at it.
The way he all but spat out 'I hate the word "couple"' smacked far more of personal hurt than of philosophical difficultiesI see there a guy who thought he was in a relationship - who works with a person, sleeps with them, spends most of his waking hours with them. It's not a massive leap of logic to assume that they're in a relationship and are, in fact, a couple. I think Jack obliquely stated his desires for being a couple, and tried to spell out what Ianto means/could mean to him way back in Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang and To The Last Man. And I think as we saw that relationship develop - all the way up to Ianto publicly almost claiming Jack in Something Borrowed, that Jack thought they were just getting closer in an organic way that didn't really need talking about
( ... )
I love you. So hard. Because this is Torchwood, condensed, with crack and extra sprinkles on top.
But: yes. Exactly. Most of these are my thoughts, except: buying the family off! So totally made my eyes fall out of my head until I remembered my mate from next door from when I was like ten, who had aunts and uncles who did that. It seemed a little less strange to me then, but it is that: buying them off.
And, omg, I'm dense about Jack and the couple word. I mean, I knew Jack didn't mean it the way he said it, but was still totally lost on the why (I kept thinking, he must still be grieving. He smiled less, too, in my defence.) Your explanation made sense.
Also yes: the icon! (make that, please), Jack lying, Eve's amazing acting, Rhiannon!love, Alice!love (man, was she much more fabulous than I expected her to possibly be fabulous), and Capaldi, who gripped me from his first to his last second (and I, unlike you, don't have the Thick of It issue, because I despise it.) And this, I repeat, children are creepy. Although, Ianto, be
( ... )
It's Torchwood. It's okay for you to love me hard. Jack would insist.
(I ought to point out that I was watching it with people over AIM, so some of these thoughts are osmotically mine, not originally mine. And I've seen bits of the fandom crazy today as well, about several lines.)
Although with Jack and Ianto's child abduction attempts, episode three just may well be the court case.
It's guilt. Ianto is never there, so he can't do something for them that they'd like. He can't buy a present for his nephew and niece because he has no idea who they are or what they'd want. So he salves his conscience and buys their affection. Same for Jack, only Jack has been told: Stay Away.
Ok, I haven't seen this, so I'm probably evil to be reading spoilers, but LOL! :D "Emotional maturity of a pineapple", failing at sekrit organisations, and keeping assassins employed. :D
Words fail at how awesome it is. Seriously. Lots and lots of tension, and creepy, creepy children, and then Ianto's all "And I have tupperware!"
It feels like a 9pm BBC1 show now. It doesn't feel BBC2 at all. You have to watch it. 6 million people watched it last night, say the overnights. 6 million people can't be wrong. That's a 25% audience share.
(Amazon.com says it gets released region 1 on July 28th. So, not a long wait. Bug the library.)
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*ahem*
I'm pretty sure, though, that in spite of their current difficulties, Jack would pick Ianto over the car. ;) He'd just have a tantrum first, give Ianto the bollocking of his short life and then make him buy the new car and have it kitted out. Perhaps a Veyron...?
I agree completely on everything else, very much including the 'being engrossed' part. I couldn't turn away from it. As soon as it becomes available, I'm buying the series in every possible form.
Well, maybe not if they eat Myfanwy on camera....
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(As I write this, I realise that blowing up the Hub doesn't look good for Myfanwy. Oh noes, they can't do that!)
I feel for him, seriously. He's not quite sure who he is or what he wants, and he thinks he has to write off options just because he's with Jack and that there's a lot of normal that he'll never do.
BUT. He seems to be wrong. Jack can keep and maintain a relationship over forty years with his daughter, even if it's a tenuous one. He was at her mother's funeral, so apparently he kept up lines of communication there, too. And Ianto would probably know this, if he just opened his mouth and asked. All he'd have to say is "what am I to you?" and he'd find out. But he's too scared to. And he doesn't articulate his feelings (which, apparently, is not a genetic thing).
I think Jack would want a hovercar to replace the SUV. Veyron's a bit low-key for him.
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You're quite right about Jack and his ability to sustain relationships. I think that he's actually craving them, but that he's always run into so much trouble of various sorts with them due to his immortality that he's become very good at Not Talking About Them. The way he all but spat out 'I hate the word "couple"' smacked far more of personal hurt than of philosophical difficulties, and Ianto is just confirming that Jack should be afraid of getting attached. If Ianto would just untuck his head from his carapace and take a genuine emotional risk, he'd probably get a damned pleasant surprise, but even looking and really listening seem insurmountable for him, when it comes to Jack.
Sorry. Mulling over fic that I'm outlining for yet another big bang thing.
I hadn't even thought of a hovercar. It's definitely a thought, although a Veyron might give Jack the speed he seeks whilst still keeping Torchwood 'low profile'. ;D
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The way he all but spat out 'I hate the word "couple"' smacked far more of personal hurt than of philosophical difficultiesI see there a guy who thought he was in a relationship - who works with a person, sleeps with them, spends most of his waking hours with them. It's not a massive leap of logic to assume that they're in a relationship and are, in fact, a couple. I think Jack obliquely stated his desires for being a couple, and tried to spell out what Ianto means/could mean to him way back in Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang and To The Last Man. And I think as we saw that relationship develop - all the way up to Ianto publicly almost claiming Jack in Something Borrowed, that Jack thought they were just getting closer in an organic way that didn't really need talking about ( ... )
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But: yes. Exactly. Most of these are my thoughts, except: buying the family off! So totally made my eyes fall out of my head until I remembered my mate from next door from when I was like ten, who had aunts and uncles who did that. It seemed a little less strange to me then, but it is that: buying them off.
And, omg, I'm dense about Jack and the couple word. I mean, I knew Jack didn't mean it the way he said it, but was still totally lost on the why (I kept thinking, he must still be grieving. He smiled less, too, in my defence.) Your explanation made sense.
Also yes: the icon! (make that, please), Jack lying, Eve's amazing acting, Rhiannon!love, Alice!love (man, was she much more fabulous than I expected her to possibly be fabulous), and Capaldi, who gripped me from his first to his last second (and I, unlike you, don't have the Thick of It issue, because I despise it.) And this, I repeat, children are creepy. Although, Ianto, be ( ... )
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(I ought to point out that I was watching it with people over AIM, so some of these thoughts are osmotically mine, not originally mine. And I've seen bits of the fandom crazy today as well, about several lines.)
Although with Jack and Ianto's child abduction attempts, episode three just may well be the court case.
It's guilt. Ianto is never there, so he can't do something for them that they'd like. He can't buy a present for his nephew and niece because he has no idea who they are or what they'd want. So he salves his conscience and buys their affection. Same for Jack, only Jack has been told: Stay Away.
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It feels like a 9pm BBC1 show now. It doesn't feel BBC2 at all. You have to watch it. 6 million people watched it last night, say the overnights. 6 million people can't be wrong. That's a 25% audience share.
(Amazon.com says it gets released region 1 on July 28th. So, not a long wait. Bug the library.)
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