Picspam Reaction: Supernatural 5.13

[caffienekitty]

Contains profanity and blithering. Also spoilers for... um something else that would be spoilery to say what it is. Not dial-up-friendly, like at all.

Posted from work, so corrections and alterations may occur.

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[marinarusalka]

The answer is still no, because Sam is my friend.

The thing that really made me laugh like a loon is that Castiel has decided that Sam is his friend, that he cares about him, that he will kill and possibly die for him -- but I'm fairly certain that it's never occured to him to actually mention any of this to Sam. Oh, Cas. He still has no clue how humans work.

[caffienekitty]

Sadly, he's still doing better than some actual humans I know. Also, that would be a very odd conversation. I don't know what Sam would do if Castiel came up to him and said that. :-)

[izhilzha]

...fic please? :)

[caffienekitty]

Heh. Maybe.

ETA: You bunny-poker you."

[aescu]

My head nearly exploded, too...
There are a few things that I could not figure out or that keep bugging me. I've posted them somewhere else, too but I'd like to know your opinion :)

1) Anna (& ???) vs Michael vs Team Free Will
Anna says she escaped prison, Cas says it's impossible. As Cas has been upstairs - I assume - in prison ( = "Bible Camp"?)too he knows what he is talking about when he says one cannot escape. So either she is lying or she doesn't know somebody has helped her.
Obviously she no longer has Heaven behind her actions because she too is weakened by her time travel and Michael kills her because of her actions.
My conclusio is that there is a fraction in Heaven (Zachariah?) that helped Anna escape and set her up to kill Sam but this fraction is neither very powerful nor very large.

2) The Angel-Killing-DaggerThe dagger Sam, Dean and Mary are using to fight Anna through the entire episode looks *very* familiar. I think it is the same weapon Casiel used in S4 and in 5.01. In S4 we see that the dagger is hidden inside

[caffienekitty]

1) It's close to stated that Anna's out because Zachariah let her out as reconditioned. She didn't escape. The time jump, I think, was the unauthorized bit.

2) Actually, Castiel packed the boys a bag of angel daggers and holy oil just before the time jump. I was gonna cap it, but I figured this was already too cap-heavy.

3) Why doesn't he ask Michael to port Castiel? Is he afraid the Archangel would kill him? Well, aside from Dean being a bit mind-blown by the events and revelations leading up to getting timeported back, I suspect if he had thought to ask, that Castiel's safety would be a concern. Technically he's in a state of rebellion and Michael would almost efinitely kill him. Also, Dean wasn't exactly in a position to ask Michael for any favours. However, they did stay at the same hotel so they could be there if/when Castiel got back. Really, I think with watching Sam die again, having Michael give him all the info about everything while Sam was bleeding out on the floor rather boggled him. Plus, Castiel not having to take the

[vikki]

This was great and made me think a lot of good, thinky thoughts. Great point about Uriel! Man, now I have to go watch a whole bunch of episodes with Uriel in them and now I want to write a fic from his point of view and stuff. Dammit!

I fall into the 'I think Anna wanted to kill Sam' group, but I understand her reasoning and I don't think of her as a villian, unless a villian is 'everyone who is against the Winchesters'. She was brilliant right up until the end. I loved her here and was sorry to see her go.

Poor Castiel. *hugs him* he has it rough.

[caffienekitty]

Events of this episode certainly added some points to ponder to the character of Uriel.

I tend to use the term 'adversarial' rather than villain, because it doesn't imply nefarious intent, just that she's not working on their side. The only problem with Anna wanting to kill or prevent the existence of Sam, is she chose the one battleground where she could not do it, no matter how she tried, whether because the timestream wouldn't allow it, or whether because the angels native to that timestream would not allow it to happen because they are preserving the events that lead up to the situation in order to preserve the idea that there is no choice. I have crazy meta about time travel mechanics in another post.

Castiel indeed has a rough go of it. Poor wubby.

[irismay42]

I couldn't wait for you to get to the bit where Michael showed up! And YES John WAS LOOKING AT HIM and presumably HEARING HIM WITHOUT A VESSEL! So does that make John one of the 'special people' who can view an angel in its true form??

I'm thinking if John and Dean could both be vessels for Michael, and Sam is the same bloodline (apart from that unfortunate bit of Azazel he's got floating around - which, y'know, Azazel was also an angel once) so what's to say Michael can't take Sam? And what's to say Lucifer can't take Dean?? Would Kripke go there? Hmm... *strokes chin ponderously*

The Curse of the A Names! Hah! I noticed Ash, Ava and Andy, but didn't see realise there were all those others!

And yeah, Matthew Cohen as Michael? Definitely hot. Nothing strange about it!

[caffienekitty]

So does that make John one of the 'special people' who can view an angel in its true form??

Yep. He's got the bloodlne, so he's a vessel too. What I really want to know is why Dean couldn't hear Castiel's true voice in 4.01, if he's a vessel.

Azazel was also an angel once

...sorry, I don't recall this in the show? It's an angel-formatted name, but I don't think they've implied he's anything but a high-ranking demon. Unless I missed something, which is possible.

I noticed Ash, Ava and Andy, but didn't see realise there were all those others!

There's probably a few more among the people that didn't make it past the title card, but I didn't want to get too ridiculous.

[irismay42]

The Azazel thing is from Paradise Lost - he was Lucifer's standard bearer. Never been mentioned in the show (as it might confuse things!)

[caffienekitty]

I'm pretty sure in the show he isn't an angel, they're just using the name. Like biblically Zachariah isn't an angel name, it's one of the prophets or something like that. It's an interesting thought to play with though.

[malevolent73]

Spoiler free- the way to be. It makes it all so much better. And I know, I'm preaching to the choir. :)

I like your reviews because you give more brain to the episode than I do and then I enjoy the next episode even more with all your little insights rattling around in my head. Awesome. :)

Also, I am one of the ones who couldn't resist iconage. LOL

[caffienekitty]

Hee! Awesome icon!