SPN META: Never Forget A Familiar Face (SPOILERS FOR Episode 2.21)
Between planning a Mother's Day party-like occurrence and ranting about horrifying incidents on another continent, I've been attempting to formulate a lame meta/retcon.
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Now that we're past the cut, the question that latched on to me and wouldn't go 'way this weekend was; How did Dean recognize Ash's watch? Which lead to this...
NEVER FORGET A FAMILIAR FACE:
Wrist-borne Timepieces in Supernatural
Here's my thought process so far:
First off, exactly how long has Ash had this watch?
Everybody Loves a Clown - No Watch
Simon Said - No Watch
Hunted - No Watch
All Hell Breaks Loose, Part 1 - WATCH
Soooo, Ash acquired the watch sometime between "Hunted" and "All Hell Breaks Loose Part 1", and Dean knows the look of it well enough to recognize it as belonging to Ash when it's been through a major fire and covered in sputch.
However, as far as we know, Dean hasn't been at the Roadhouse since the revelation that someone there is leaking info to charming folk like Gordon. From what we've seen of Dean, I can believe easily that he would not go near the Roadhouse or have any contact with it unless Sam was in danger ("Born Under A Bad Sign"), so safe to assume the last time he's physically seen Ash would be "Simon Said"
So, if Ash didn't have the watch at that point, it has to be one Dean recognizes, and knows that Ash has acquired.
At first I thought it might be Dean's old watch (from the "Pilot" missing scene) and he might have given it to Ash after John died and started wearing his father's watch instead. However, Dean is still wearing the same watch from the "Pilot" missing scene. I can't find a cap from the missing scene, and my computer won't do a screenshot while the DVD player window is open, but Dean's watch in the missing scene has a round face with a black rim, same as the watch in "All Hell Breaks Loose, Part 1"
(Yeah, I can't believe I'm looking at that cap and thinking about Dean's watch either.
I must be in denial or something.)
Then I thought it was maybe one of John's old watches, traded for info after John died, but the only one I could find in caps had a white face and a wide leather strap.
Pilot Flashback
Home
Dead Man's Blood
Salvation
Actually... it's still the same watch as the Pilot. John gets a hell of a lot of use out of a watch.
John wasn't wearing a watch in "In My Time of Dying"...
...and I don't see it in the caps from "Devil's Trap", so either he still had it in Devil's Trap and just never put it back on in the hospital, or, in addition to torturing him, tying him down and possessing him, the demons stole John's bloody watch! Bastards! Buuuut... that's a question for another day. One with a great deal more liquor in it.
Anyway, Ash's watch was not John's watch, and John is either so good at looking after his watch that it lasted over 24 years, or he's just a cheap bastard. You decide.
Alright, so, new theory. It's Sam's old watch.
Because it looks a lot like Sam's watch:
Sam's watch in In My Time of Dying
Ash's watch in All Hell Breaks Loose, Part 1
Sam's left wrist is camera-shy, due to the whole layering issue, and jacket sleeves that go halfway to his knuckles, but we get glimpses of it all through Season 2:
Born Under a Bad Sign
Tall Tales
Heart
What Is and What Should Never Be
The latest shot I could originally find of Sam with the watch is in What Is and What Should Never Be, which shot my whole "Sam gave Ash the watch in Hunted in exchange for the psychic kid info" theory in the foot before it even got running.
Aaaand then of course, Sam's watch shows up again...
... peeking out from under a sleeve in All Hell Breaks Loose, Part 1,
nowhere near Ash's wrist. Not even in the same state.
Which kicks another fine theory and half a plot-bunny out the door. Sigh. So, it's not Sam's watch either.
Leaving me with the only remaining explanation I can think of...
Ash got the watch by some entirely random means, and was so thrilled about finally owning a watch that he snapped a photo of it and pic-spammed his entire address book bragging about it. Which... I can almost see. Sort of.
So, now that I've spent almost an entire weekend looking for screencaps of people's wrists, do I actually think the people who set-up the "Dean recognizes Ash's watch scene" were paying this much attention to it? Um... possibly not... But really that's okay, because it's fun to try and figure stuff like this out.
So, what do you think?
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Now that we're past the cut, the question that latched on to me and wouldn't go 'way this weekend was; How did Dean recognize Ash's watch? Which lead to this...
NEVER FORGET A FAMILIAR FACE:
Wrist-borne Timepieces in Supernatural
Here's my thought process so far:
First off, exactly how long has Ash had this watch?
Everybody Loves a Clown - No Watch
Simon Said - No Watch
Hunted - No Watch
All Hell Breaks Loose, Part 1 - WATCH
Soooo, Ash acquired the watch sometime between "Hunted" and "All Hell Breaks Loose Part 1", and Dean knows the look of it well enough to recognize it as belonging to Ash when it's been through a major fire and covered in sputch.
However, as far as we know, Dean hasn't been at the Roadhouse since the revelation that someone there is leaking info to charming folk like Gordon. From what we've seen of Dean, I can believe easily that he would not go near the Roadhouse or have any contact with it unless Sam was in danger ("Born Under A Bad Sign"), so safe to assume the last time he's physically seen Ash would be "Simon Said"
So, if Ash didn't have the watch at that point, it has to be one Dean recognizes, and knows that Ash has acquired.
At first I thought it might be Dean's old watch (from the "Pilot" missing scene) and he might have given it to Ash after John died and started wearing his father's watch instead. However, Dean is still wearing the same watch from the "Pilot" missing scene. I can't find a cap from the missing scene, and my computer won't do a screenshot while the DVD player window is open, but Dean's watch in the missing scene has a round face with a black rim, same as the watch in "All Hell Breaks Loose, Part 1"
(Yeah, I can't believe I'm looking at that cap and thinking about Dean's watch either.
I must be in denial or something.)
Then I thought it was maybe one of John's old watches, traded for info after John died, but the only one I could find in caps had a white face and a wide leather strap.
Pilot Flashback
Home
Dead Man's Blood
Salvation
Actually... it's still the same watch as the Pilot. John gets a hell of a lot of use out of a watch.
John wasn't wearing a watch in "In My Time of Dying"...
...and I don't see it in the caps from "Devil's Trap", so either he still had it in Devil's Trap and just never put it back on in the hospital, or, in addition to torturing him, tying him down and possessing him, the demons stole John's bloody watch! Bastards! Buuuut... that's a question for another day. One with a great deal more liquor in it.
Anyway, Ash's watch was not John's watch, and John is either so good at looking after his watch that it lasted over 24 years, or he's just a cheap bastard. You decide.
Alright, so, new theory. It's Sam's old watch.
Because it looks a lot like Sam's watch:
Sam's watch in In My Time of Dying
Ash's watch in All Hell Breaks Loose, Part 1
Sam's left wrist is camera-shy, due to the whole layering issue, and jacket sleeves that go halfway to his knuckles, but we get glimpses of it all through Season 2:
Born Under a Bad Sign
Tall Tales
Heart
What Is and What Should Never Be
The latest shot I could originally find of Sam with the watch is in What Is and What Should Never Be, which shot my whole "Sam gave Ash the watch in Hunted in exchange for the psychic kid info" theory in the foot before it even got running.
Aaaand then of course, Sam's watch shows up again...
... peeking out from under a sleeve in All Hell Breaks Loose, Part 1,
nowhere near Ash's wrist. Not even in the same state.
Which kicks another fine theory and half a plot-bunny out the door. Sigh. So, it's not Sam's watch either.
Leaving me with the only remaining explanation I can think of...
Ash got the watch by some entirely random means, and was so thrilled about finally owning a watch that he snapped a photo of it and pic-spammed his entire address book bragging about it. Which... I can almost see. Sort of.
So, now that I've spent almost an entire weekend looking for screencaps of people's wrists, do I actually think the people who set-up the "Dean recognizes Ash's watch scene" were paying this much attention to it? Um... possibly not... But really that's okay, because it's fun to try and figure stuff like this out.
So, what do you think?
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