One of my favorites! Though just as a fun point, my translation (not the one I did; the one I have) does the first stanza this way:
Be in advance of all parting, as though it were Behind you like the winter that is just going For among winters, one is so endlessly winter, that, Overwintering, your heart once for all will hold out.
...Do you see a slightly different meaning in the last lines there? Or am I imagining things?
God, I love that one, though. The line "Be in advance of all parting..." there's just no way to say that without hearing your heart crack in your voice. It's a scary sound, but scary like the shot of cracking ice on a lake -- scary and portentious. It always makes me want to do it again. ;)
I'm not sure about Nietzsche, but damn sure Buddha. Achieve self-consciousness of your place in the milieu, and the whole thing dissolves. There's a whole weary world, until you know what YOUR role in it is, and then it all ceases to matter at once. Lovely.
I've read a few translations, and they're all a little different. As per your comment on my comment on your journal, it's neat to triangulate the meaning from the words.
Ya, it seems. I hear a certain kind of negation of self that I don't think comes out in Nietzsche as well. Do you think that Nietzsche would speak for or against that kind of negation?
Hrm. The ringing glass that shatters as it rings does seem to lack will or agency. He might not approve, but it seems like the reasonable follow-through.
Perhaps it represents the child; the will or agency gets used up in the lion's rejection of the made. The child, on the other hand, acts without agency, the product unconfined by any previous context.
Still, I think I stretch it here. Remember how much Nietzsche bitched about the Buddhists, specifically against their tendency toward negation!
who coined the idea of agent and context? I'm thinking the Frankfurt school heads employed it - was there one philosopher that really stuck it out there as a subsitute for "subject" or "human" or "man"?
i have it on good authority that both rilke and nietzsche want you to go to vegas this weekend. a roulette wheel may not be self-propelled...ill allow that...ill give you that...BUT, but Sergio...... we could go to the liberace museum....frommers called it "the place where all the wheels are self-propelled...even the ones that arent wheels."
I'm looking today! What are the dates, hotels, etc? I've been studying for LEED certification (I passed) so sort of out of commission. Like a big baby.
i truly adore Rilke. My best friend Ridge got me hooked - you know, there used to be a website with all his poetry freely accessible - it seems to have been taken down, though.
I should get a huge book of his poetry. I only have one of his novels now.
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Be in advance of all parting, as though it were
Behind you like the winter that is just going
For among winters, one is so endlessly winter, that,
Overwintering, your heart once for all will hold out.
...Do you see a slightly different meaning in the last lines there? Or am I imagining things?
God, I love that one, though. The line "Be in advance of all parting..." there's just no way to say that without hearing your heart crack in your voice. It's a scary sound, but scary like the shot of cracking ice on a lake -- scary and portentious. It always makes me want to do it again. ;)
I'm not sure about Nietzsche, but damn sure Buddha. Achieve self-consciousness of your place in the milieu, and the whole thing dissolves. There's a whole weary world, until you know what YOUR role in it is, and then it all ceases to matter at once. Lovely.
Thanks, yo.
-K
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Still, I think I stretch it here. Remember how much Nietzsche bitched about the Buddhists, specifically against their tendency toward negation!
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a roulette wheel may not be self-propelled...ill allow that...ill give you that...BUT, but Sergio......
we could go to the liberace museum....frommers called it "the place where all the wheels are self-propelled...even the ones that arent wheels."
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I am ashamed to discover that I don't have your email address, just endless exchanges of comments in my "archives", if you know what I mean.
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I should get a huge book of his poetry. I only have one of his novels now.
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