Comments | butterfly: I'm talking about watching my lover die!

butterfly

I'm talking about watching my lover die!

May 30, 2003 21:29

Or, musing on the Scoobies.
( spoils up to 'Chosen' )

xander, giles, buffy, buffy the vampire slayer, willow, essay

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kita0610 May 30 2003, 22:47:29 UTC

Yea, going to Hell counted as Death. She surely didn't think she'd see him again, in any case- and in S7 she SAYS "I killed Angel, anyone remember that?" I always saw that moment when she deliberately put a sword in the first guy she ever loved as the defining moment for Buffy's adulthood. One could argue she never has been the same since.

Very lovely analysis of all the deaths, btw. Thanks for sharing it.

butterfly May 30 2003, 23:03:38 UTC

Thanks. And yeah, for Buffy it was a death, but I don't think that Angel thinks of it as one. He's all "My ex-girlfriend sent me to Hell". So, I'm torn. So, emotionally, it was a death, but physically, probably.

Big defining moment for Buffy, definitely. Worthy of many essays of its own.

therisingmoon May 30 2003, 22:56:04 UTC

Totally of your post, but why are they called the Scoobies? I always wondered why.

butterfly May 30 2003, 23:04:11 UTC

Well, it started just because... it sounded cute. Then they used it on the show, and it totally stuck.

therisingmoon May 30 2003, 23:12:28 UTC

Okay, I had thought it was because Sarah was in Scooby-Doo.

When did they start being called Scoobies? I'm so curious.

teleute12 May 31 2003, 00:12:22 UTC

It was used on the show for the first time in "What's My Line: Part 1" (just caught the relevent part of that on FX the other day). Xander to Cordelia: "Come on, Cordy, if you want to hang with the Scooby gang you have to deal with a little discomfort." (Paraphrased 'cause I'm too lazy to pull up the script) However, apparently it was used by fans before that to describe the group, 'cause they delt with supernatural, I guess. I wasn't part of the fandom back then, so I can't really say. (Not that I really am now, but that's a subject for another post.)

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Great analysis, but what about... selenak May 31 2003, 09:58:42 UTC

Faith? Because though she didn't die literally, she did go through the death-and-rebirth thing symbolically; "This Year's Girl" even uses the rising-from-the-grave imagery in Faith's (and maybe also Buffy's) opening dream.
Also, Buffy being willing to kill her in GDII was an important point; the first time she planned - and went through - with using deathly force against a human being. (Faith surviving wasn't due to Buffy's lack of determination.)

Oh, and: Warren and Ben? Both Scoobie murders, after all.

Re: Great analysis, but what about... butterfly June 2 2003, 07:50:39 UTC

Good ones. I probably should put Angel back in, too.

Real/Symbolic deaths?