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ivy03 November 16 2007, 16:43:28 UTC
but not a terribly far step
Absolutely. That's what I loved about this ep. Gordon, when turned, doesn't suddenly pull an Angelus. He's still Gordon. And it feels like his decision to take innocent lives is a decision, not an imperative. It's him saying, "Well, I'm a monster now, I may as well act like one," instead of trying to find a way not to be a monster, which we've seen vampires do.

Which makes absolute perfect fucking sense! Cause if he, as a vampire, can not be evil, not kill people, then his sister wasn't evil and he murdered her, really murdered her. It's cognitive dissonance. He's always believed vampires are pure evil, so as a vampire, he chooses to be pure evil. It's a choice. That is why it is awesome.

He has been a great villain, and I'm sad to see him go. But I'd rather they kill him now then pull a Kolya and keep bringing him back and bringing him back till he's a joke and then killing him.

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butterfly November 16 2007, 17:10:22 UTC
Absolutely. That's what I loved about this ep. Gordon, when turned, doesn't suddenly pull an Angelus. He's still Gordon. And it feels like his decision to take innocent lives is a decision, not an imperative. It's him saying, "Well, I'm a monster now, I may as well act like one," instead of trying to find a way not to be a monster, which we've seen vampires do.

*nods*

Exactly. For Gordon, vampires had to be evil (sorta the reverse of S7 Buffy, who had to believe that a vampire getting a soul made a fundamental difference, because of her experience with Angel/Angelus). If he was a vampire, then he was evil. Period. Despite the fact that he was still trying to do the same thing he'd been doing before he was turned.

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abigail_n November 16 2007, 17:05:23 UTC
Nitpick: The Dexter episode's title was "That Night, A Forest Grew," which, quite aptly, is a quote from Where the Wild Things Are.

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butterfly November 16 2007, 17:07:50 UTC
Thanks. I knew there was something about a forest and that it was a literary reference, but I couldn't quite place it (and thus forgot it).

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spiletta42 November 16 2007, 17:18:57 UTC
I'm ticked off about Niki too, but I'm hoping my anger will get directed at the Company instead of at the writers. I think the pills that the Company gave Niki were designed to trigger that kind of sequence of events. There are plenty of real world drugs that will trigger a psychotic episode after the patient stops taking them, and they probably guessed that if the pills made her miserable she'd stop taking them.

I don't want to believe that DL is gone for good and am clinging to the hope that there's a trick of some kind. Maya was slightly less boring this week, but that's not saying much, and the complete lack of West was squeeful.

Speaking of West, have you heard the new Carrie Underwood album? The song "The More Boys I Meet" would fit very well as a Claire/West vid after Claire recovers from the lobotomy she's apparently had and gets rid of him.

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fanaddict November 16 2007, 17:43:22 UTC
I kind of think they needed Niki to need the Company in order to make it ambiguous this season as to who's the Big Bad - Adam or the Company. AS written, Niki is really being helped by them to control her multiple personalities, which (if what Bob said is true) are triggered in some people when their powers emerge but can't be controlled and so the person does something bad they can't face.

I actually think in a way it's a fascinating way for Heroes to delve into comic superhero tropes of the superhero with dual identities. In the comics, they are heroes who separate their lives (normal people) from their heroics (as an Other)and have dissonance because of that, but are still integrated. Niki, though, has dissociated completely into "normal" vs "Other" because they really are tough to integrate and Heroes life isn't like the comics.

So, see, I think Niki's storyline this season has a point, I just wish they hadn't gutted her entire progress from last season to do it....

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spiletta42 November 16 2007, 20:09:10 UTC
So, see, I think Niki's storyline this season has a point, I just wish they hadn't gutted her entire progress from last season to do it....

And that's where I'm hoping they've written her backslide as having been caused by the Company (or something else they plan to reveal at some point), as opposed to me needing to get angry with the writers for pointlessly screwing up.

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butterfly November 17 2007, 18:35:33 UTC
I'm ticked off about Niki too, but I'm hoping my anger will get directed at the Company instead of at the writers. I think the pills that the Company gave Niki were designed to trigger that kind of sequence of events. There are plenty of real world drugs that will trigger a psychotic episode after the patient stops taking them, and they probably guessed that if the pills made her miserable she'd stop taking them.

I'm also hoping it was something done to her and not something inherent in her powers -- unless we also get to see a man go crazy because he can't handle his abilities (going emo doesn't count).

I don't want to believe that DL is gone for good and am clinging to the hope that there's a trick of some kind. Maya was slightly less boring this week, but that's not saying much, and the complete lack of West was squeeful.

The complete lack of West was wonderful. Maya... has potential, especially in her storyline with Sylar. The real problem with her and Alejandro is that they had the same plot for four weeks in a row, thus ( ... )

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par_avion November 16 2007, 17:59:18 UTC
The notion of Deb/Lundy creeps me out

Me too!! Ick. I wanted her to actually want a father-figure in the non-creepy way.

Next season, she'll go out with someone that Dexter's flashbacks will let us know is eerily reminiscent of her mother.

Well, I'm all for more bi characters on tv :)

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butterfly November 17 2007, 18:38:02 UTC
Me too!! Ick. I wanted her to actually want a father-figure in the non-creepy way.

Especially since she herself recognized that she was interacting with him in a father-figure way (jealous when he seemed to be favoring Dexter over her -- and I really like about Deb that her jealous didn't at all affect how concerned she was over Dexter about Rita).

Well, I'm all for more bi characters on tv :)

*grins* Yes, good point.

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6beforelunch November 16 2007, 18:16:00 UTC
No cookie for Charlie; Amita gets to have Charlie's cookie.

Heh. I agree. I didn't mind Charlie being protective to a point, but the way he went about it made me mad. I get scared and upset, especially since Amita's never been in direct danger before, but his attitude was too overbearing at times.

I really liked this episode overall, though.

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butterfly November 17 2007, 18:40:39 UTC
Yeah, the episode was great. And my annoyance is only focused on Charlie, as I really didn't feel like the show was trying to say that Amita had to wait for Charlie's say-so.

And I wouldn't be so annoyed with him if I didn't love him so much.

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