And I think that her general characterization pre-RotS supports that explanation, as well as the fact that she still believed in Anakin having a core of good to him -- if she truly believed that, why would she die of a broken heart?
As one of those people who has seen the films in order (and I'm sure even for those who haven't!) this was fascinating to read and, in my opinion, an incredibly intelligent and well-thought out response to these films. I found myself nodding along all throughout. I hope you'll write more.
I still don't like Obi Wan though, I just don't like him!
My hierarchy goes something more like Vader (who it's all about), then Palpatine who grinds the organ the whole time Vader is the monkey, then R2, Han, Leia and Chewy. After that you have the other freaks like Luke and C3PO, Qui and Obi and Yoda. Maybe after that Padme. Don't like her either. LOL.
And, curiosity strikes, what don't you like about Obi-Wan? Is it the lying? The manipulation? The snobbery? The way he's so hurt by Anakin's betrayal that, years later, he still believes Anakin to be beyond redemption?
It's more the lying and manipulation in IV-VI. He's sort of like the worst of Lupin and Black of SW only worse. "Hi I'm here to tell you lies about your father! Hey, watch me get killed! Wait, are you looking? Are you looking now? Ok, getting killed now."
Actually, though I always liked Obi-Wan, his devastation at the end of the duel makes me understand why he would lie to Luke -- he still can't wrap his head around it. The lie he gives Luke isn't even his own lie, it's Yoda's. That what Anakin did screwed him up so much that he can't even come up with his own words after twenty years? It makes me want to hug him.
But I can definitely where you're coming from -- he is a manipulative SOB.
Just sort of semi-delurking to say, I love these reaction posts of yours (particularly your older Stargate ones). This one really made me want to go back and watch the whole saga again and try to understand it. Thank you :)
Oh, and you're right - Obi-Wan is absolutely the best Jedi ever! (And kinda cute too :))
Just sort of semi-delurking to say, I love these reaction posts of yours (particularly your older Stargate ones). This one really made me want to go back and watch the whole saga again and try to understand it. Thank you
You are so welcome! I adore writing these things, so I'd probably do it even if no one read them, but it's such a boost to know that it does inspire other people.
I really do envy people who'll get to see the entire saga in order
Me too. I'm so looking forward to finding a victim who never heard of SW (somewhere, he/she must exist) so I can try out the chronological order on him. What came closest was my father who had seen the OT once upon a time but had forgotten most stuff about it when he saw TPM on tv. So at one point, he turns to me and says "the blond kid is important somehow, isn't he? Who is he going to be?"
Palpatine needed his home planet of Naboo to be threatened in order to get into that Chancellor's seat. The entire plot of this episode is incidental -- it's all about that vote, that first domino tipping over.
Yes. He's in a win-win position, no matter how the invasion proceeds. He'll get that sympathy vote.
But Qui-Gon, the only Jedi (at the time of TPM), who has complete trust in Anakin, dies. And Anakin is to be trained by a man that he knows thinks that he's dangerous.Indeed. I remember seeing the conversation between Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon for the first time, and hoping
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Me too. I'm so looking forward to finding a victim who never heard of SW (somewhere, he/she must exist) so I can try out the chronological order on him. What came closest was my father who had seen the OT once upon a time but had forgotten most stuff about it when he saw TPM on tv. So at one point, he turns to me and says "the blond kid is important somehow, isn't he? Who is he going to be?"
Hee! Okay, that's pretty funny.
I remember seeing the conversation between Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon for the first time, and hoping Anakin was far away, and then the camera revealed that he had heard every word. And Anakin's awareness that Obi-Wan not only didn't choose to be with him but distrusted him when they met introduces a streak of uncertainty in the relationship from the start.
Oooo, does Obi-Wan know that Anakin heard that conversation? If not, that could explain why he doesn't understand that there's some mistrust on Anakin's side of things.
Well, yes, but I have to point out that Obi-Wan picked up some manipulative skills from
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Oooo, does Obi-Wan know that Anakin heard that conversation? If not, that could explain why he doesn't understand that there's some mistrust on Anakin's side of things.
No, Obi-Wan doesn't know, unless Anakin told him later, which I doubt. The scene ends with him marching off, then the camera shows us and Qui-Gon Anakin heard, and Anakin tells Qui-Gon he doesn't want to be trouble. (So not only did he hear but he understood that he's presently causing a rift between Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan.
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I like that, it's true. :D If it came down to me or my babies, the babies would SO win.
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Revenge of the Sith really did hit most of my buttons, in the best ways. It's made me care about the Star Wars Saga.
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I still don't like Obi Wan though, I just don't like him!
My hierarchy goes something more like Vader (who it's all about), then Palpatine who grinds the organ the whole time Vader is the monkey, then R2, Han, Leia and Chewy. After that you have the other freaks like Luke and C3PO, Qui and Obi and Yoda. Maybe after that Padme. Don't like her either. LOL.
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And, curiosity strikes, what don't you like about Obi-Wan? Is it the lying? The manipulation? The snobbery? The way he's so hurt by Anakin's betrayal that, years later, he still believes Anakin to be beyond redemption?
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Actually, though I always liked Obi-Wan, his devastation at the end of the duel makes me understand why he would lie to Luke -- he still can't wrap his head around it. The lie he gives Luke isn't even his own lie, it's Yoda's. That what Anakin did screwed him up so much that he can't even come up with his own words after twenty years? It makes me want to hug him.
But I can definitely where you're coming from -- he is a manipulative SOB.
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Oh, and you're right - Obi-Wan is absolutely the best Jedi ever! (And kinda cute too :))
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You are so welcome! I adore writing these things, so I'd probably do it even if no one read them, but it's such a boost to know that it does inspire other people.
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Me too. I'm so looking forward to finding a victim who never heard of SW (somewhere, he/she must exist) so I can try out the chronological order on him. What came closest was my father who had seen the OT once upon a time but had forgotten most stuff about it when he saw TPM on tv. So at one point, he turns to me and says "the blond kid is important somehow, isn't he? Who is he going to be?"
Palpatine needed his home planet of Naboo to be threatened in order to get into that Chancellor's seat. The entire plot of this episode is incidental -- it's all about that vote, that first domino tipping over.
Yes. He's in a win-win position, no matter how the invasion proceeds. He'll get that sympathy vote.
But Qui-Gon, the only Jedi (at the time of TPM), who has complete trust in Anakin, dies. And Anakin is to be trained by a man that he knows thinks that he's dangerous.Indeed. I remember seeing the conversation between Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon for the first time, and hoping ( ... )
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Hee! Okay, that's pretty funny.
I remember seeing the conversation between Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon for the first time, and hoping Anakin was far away, and then the camera revealed that he had heard every word. And Anakin's awareness that Obi-Wan not only didn't choose to be with him but distrusted him when they met introduces a streak of uncertainty in the relationship from the start.
Oooo, does Obi-Wan know that Anakin heard that conversation? If not, that could explain why he doesn't understand that there's some mistrust on Anakin's side of things.
Well, yes, but I have to point out that Obi-Wan picked up some manipulative skills from ( ... )
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No, Obi-Wan doesn't know, unless Anakin told him later, which I doubt. The scene ends with him marching off, then the camera shows us and Qui-Gon Anakin heard, and Anakin tells Qui-Gon he doesn't want to be trouble. (So not only did he hear but he understood that he's presently causing a rift between Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan.
Incidentally, did you read what Michael Rosenbaum said about Lex and Anakin?
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Oh! Layers. I love that so much.
Incidentally, did you read what Michael Rosenbaum said about Lex and Anakin?
I hadn't seen that before. Thank you! Very interesting, indeed (and yay for fanboy!Michael).
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