Trying to understand a new word

Sep 16, 2008 11:28

My Word Master Friends,

SYNECDOCHE

Is Kleenex a synecdoche of facial tissues?

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the definition and its use. I discovered it in Longitude by Dava Sobel, and in a context that was unrevealing to me.

If the above is not a proper use of it, can you give me a sentence that is?

Thank you!

you tell me, language

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marc17 September 16 2008, 18:40:30 UTC
"eponyms" or "brand eponym" seems to be the answer.

Synecdoche does not seem to be the answer as defined as the items are not being described as a part of the item.

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savannarama September 16 2008, 18:55:30 UTC
I agree. Kleenex is not part of facial tissue, nor is facial tissue part of Kleenex. Eponym does seem right.

I hadn't heard a word describing the synecdoche concept before; pretty cool.

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savannarama September 16 2008, 18:59:29 UTC
Although "the species for the genus (as cutthroat for assassin)" is arguable. Kleenex could be seen as a species of facial tissue. However, Kleenex is constantly used as a perfect example of the eponym, like "Band-aid" (which is not all bandages, but has become a word for all bandages).

Most of the definition of synecdoche seems focused on parts vs. whole, though.

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sculptruth September 16 2008, 18:43:44 UTC
Yes!

Just like people say "Coke" for any soft drink (not common I suppose, but I've known a few). Or "Hobart" for any upright mixer (common in restaurants). "Wheels" for car. "Threads" for clothes.

Somewhere in here there's a clever joke about politicians, but I haven't had enough coffee to get there from here.

I need more Starbucks in my Synecdoche.

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sculptruth September 16 2008, 19:09:27 UTC
Metonym, sure; I'm dubious about eponym. It's generalising to use proprietary terms like "coke" or "hobart" or "aspirin" but I think that it's nonetheless a valid example of the word in question.

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burgunder September 16 2008, 19:14:52 UTC
I think, based on Savannah's later comment, that eponyms (metronyms? Oh dear gods, I didn't sign up for 3 new words! Just 1! -laugh- ) might be a subset of synecdoches. Cutthroat can refer to assassin, by the Merriam-Webster definition, which I think is the same idea as the Kleenex for facial tissue example...

When even a grammatical definition is open to debate, I think it's fair to say the parent language is INSANE! :) Silly silly crazy silly English.

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a_muse_d September 16 2008, 21:18:30 UTC
gesundheit.

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bellanorth September 17 2008, 18:34:33 UTC
Being a brand name, I don't think Kleenex is a good example. But those folks who ask for aspirin when they want any OTC pain reliever (aspirin, acetaminophen, ibuprofen)? That's an example of synecdoche.

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