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laurashapiro May 1 2011, 16:39:04 UTC
It should totally be more mixed up, and you're absolutely right to cite the compare-the-journals scenes as an indication of that. It's bothering me, too.

A lot of people are talking about the Doctor's violent solution to the problem of the Silence. The explanation I've seen that makes the most sense to me is that he gave them an opportunity to get away. They can flee in their ships, they don't have to stick around to be killed. And there is that aspect of "hoist on their own petard", you know?

I'm more bothered by the fact that the humans involved are being unconsciously manipulated to kill. That's really icky. Of course, it's true that hypnosis only goes so far and you can't actually make people do something that's against their ethics, but the show doesn't imply that truth at all.

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buffyann May 1 2011, 20:43:15 UTC
River, I'm just glad I'm not the only one being bothered by this. Maybe it'd be too complicated to follow but that's just weird how they're addressing it right now. it'd be so much fun to see the complexity of meeting at random in the timelines.

I was bothered by both aspects, re:silence, if only because it's different from Ten, but also because it's a bit weird how it was just accepted as normal behavior that fast.

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laurashapiro May 1 2011, 20:52:53 UTC
it'd be so much fun to see the complexity of meeting at random in the timelines.

I'd love this! And really, that's what we've had before now. Lots of people seem to be discussing this and hoping that we don't have a reset button on our hands.

it's a bit weird how it was just accepted as normal behavior that fast.

Agreed! The overall resolution for the ep happened so fast, and so many things were left out -- plus Moffat's really been going for the "I will truly resolve the mindfuck only at the end of the season" thing -- so I am hoping that we get explanations about a lot of things, come episode 13!

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buffyann May 1 2011, 21:12:25 UTC
Yes, I think possibly river's timeline is all fucked (the kiss she should have known it wasn't time) and there's something there possibly...

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bunnythenavia May 1 2011, 16:45:16 UTC
River: they're just mind fucking us with paradox headaches. Typical when time is not linear. You have no idea how many times I've been all UGHGGHGHHHHH while watching DW. Don't think about it much or your head will explode.

Silence dudes: Calapine explains better than me about the nature of the Doctor and that genocide was probably not his intention in this episode, but even if it was... RTD always tried to make the Doctor take the moral high ground when he was actually the one behind all the violence in the Whoverse. That's what I never liked about Ten and even Nine from time to time. The Doctor is not a saint and Moffat accepts it.

Hope I was helpful! How I missed Doctor Who theories and debates :)

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bunnythenavia May 1 2011, 16:52:56 UTC
+ as a native of the Middle East, I can tell you only too well that things like that - war, revolution, invasion - are not black or white. Morality can be flawed and bent and that's why I didn't realize that something is off about the episode until I read all the reviews online. Because I already get that from everyday life.

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buffyann May 1 2011, 20:46:02 UTC
You make interesting points and I never was trying to say it was as easy and black and white, but just I felt it went so quickly and bam, let's kill everyone, ok done, problem solved, on to next adventures. The doctor is definitely not a saint, but I was surprised.

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bunnythenavia May 1 2011, 21:26:46 UTC
I wasn't surprised, he's been going in this direction for a few years now, even during the RTD era, possibly for decades during the old school series. Honestly, I'm just happy he's not being Emo about it anymore, lol. The explosive two-parter premiere is creepy in so many different levels that everyone picks out what scares them the most. I guess I'm used to all the thread above ^, so I didn't care for it much, Silence Dudes scare me more. And River Song :P. Overall, The Doctor is a very dark character, I think his development in this season is going to be interesting.

My life has meaning again.

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oppenikyt November 2 2011, 19:22:05 UTC
Very intereresting reading. thx

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