Heh, I knew you weren't going to like this one, Boppy.
The degree to which people like Helo and Sharon and Gaeta and, well, everyone, dealt with this disappointment with relative ease seemed really implausible to me. Helo and Sharon were so WTF! I'm glad someone else saw it. Someone commmented that they were just trying to be in the moment with their daughter. Except I don't think we've ever seen them like that with her before. So now they are playing? I wish I had seen their reactions when Hera wasn't in the room. As for Gaeta, as we know, my boy goes into deep denial. Things with Gaeta's mind are not right. Webisodes proved it. My poor boy is gearing up for a complete psychotic break soon. It's not going to be pretty and I'm totally worried about him.
The third goal hovering in the wings was 'give Kara a reason to turn to Anders so that we can have our beloved Kara/Anders ship back'.I don't know about Anders. I know that you feel he and Kara are going to have a thing. But I thought very little about Anders in this ep and I liked
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Except I don't think we've ever seen them like that with her before. So now they are playing? Exactly. It rang completely falsely because we've never see them do that before. They could have toned it down and shown them trying to be lighthearted with Hera but struggling.
As for Gaeta, as we know, my boy goes into deep denial. Things with Gaeta's mind are not right. I got the feeling his plot was sidelined in order to let him play witness to Dee in this episode.
I get it for Dee but not Lee. That's exactly it. It makes sense for Dee, and that's all the writers cared about because it was her death episode. It made no sense for Lee.
I know Kara was going to tell Lee about the body. That just amps up the orchestrated melodrama.
They will have their moment later, but there are things they each must do alone. Sorry, DB, I felt that for a long time but I think that it's about the time the show proved it can show us anything else. And 'a moment' ain't enough for me.
I really do get it for Lee as well. It makes sense that he could debrief / offload with Dee. I don't know if he would have sought her out to do this if she hadn't found him in the ready room - it seemed spontaneous - but I can see him wanting to talk to someone he knew, a friendly face, someone who had at times understood both him and the system that he was working in, especially given that his key supports were either planetside on a mission, or in meltdown while he was trying to hold things together. I don't think that this was in any way an attempt at getting back together - I could be wrong.
I've been told it makes more sense on rewatch. Frankly I don't want to put myself through that pain to find out. I do think it arose spontaneously, but I definitely saw something more flirty and relationshipy there than just a heart to heart as colleagues. And that seemed really inappropriate given the dire circumstances.
I do think though that if Dee had thought there was a chance of getting back together, she'd not have committed suicide and taken the emotional escapism of that instead. So I guess the boundaries were still firmly in place. But it still felt tonally 'off' in terms of how I would expect Lee to react to such news.
I've been TRYING to find something ....cuz I was SO frustrated last night. Here is my ONLY silver lining: it was after this episode, during the WGA strike, that RDM watched all of the epis and read their 4.5 "break" notes and had an epiphany that "its the characters stupid" and they junked where they were going and rewrote the entire back half.
Is that what happened? I've been trying to find out (without reading anything directly for fear of spoilers) whether there was any point at which RDM looked back at 4.0 and realised how off key it was. This is encouraging! HE NEEDED TO DO THAT.
I think everyone's gonna lose it next week.. when the numbness wears off...
I guess I think Leoben just followed Kara, I didn't get a chummy vibe really, and I sekritly hope that his body was also on that bonfire... (cause really, does she want him blabbing to everyone that they found her body?)
I'll second Cheryl's comment, I hope we see a shift back to the good old days of tight writing and characters next week.
I lost it during the ep. There was a lot of swearing.
Yeah, I just don't understand why Kara tolerates Leoben's company at all. OK, he helped her find 'her destiny', which she was supposedly happy about now. But when her destiny turns out to be ashes, she doesn't lash out at him? Doesn't sound like Kara to me.
I was hoping they leave Leoben behind... last we saw he was fleeing Kara. Maybe everyone forgot about him?
I noticed as well that no one seemed to turn to each other. The only one who tried was Felix talking to Dee a little.
And word on Bill. I found Bill really self indulgent and frankly letting everyone stew for hours and hours and not saying anything until after the suicides started? Its a failure in leadership. I understand it - Bill and Laura were devastated as well... but yeah. Lee? Grow a set and don't put off talking to the Quorum. *You* get on the loudspeaker and talk to the troops if daddy won't.
I liked Felix talking to Dee--it was one of the few moments in the episode that sat ok for me.
letting everyone stew for hours and hours and not saying anything until after the suicides started? Its a failure in leadership. I know! It was TERRIBLE.
From Lee's perspective it made no sense that he suddenly baulked at stepping in. Because initially he WAS the one yelling reassurance to the crowd and he's been the guy to step in before! They just gave him a crisis of confidence so he'd have a reason to talk to Dee. (WTF?!)
I was doing some major catch-up reading in the last few days, and so finally read your post about how you feel about BSG now from a few days ago. I was thinking about replying and telling you that the only reason I'm still watching the show is because I know it will be over soon and I still want to see how it ends. (If this had a chance of going on for years and years, I think I'd ditch it now.) I thought that I was merely mostly apathetic about the show, but last night's episode showed me I can still have some stronger reactions to it.
I was very annoyed by the majority of it. Really, the only part I actually liked is that Leoben, the king of freaking people out, is now completely freaked out by Kara. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy, really. Heh.
And you know? I knew it was going to be dark and depressing; this is BSG, after all. But they seem to have discovered whole new depths of dark and depressing. Argh.
t the only reason I'm still watching the show is because I know it will be over soon and I still want to see how it ends. (If this had a chance of going on for years and years, I think I'd ditch it now.) Mmm, that's an interesting question. I'm such a completionist I probably would still watch even if it dragged on. But I would be even more resentful and annoyed! I am so glad it will be over soon.
the king of freaking people out, is now completely freaked out by Kara. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy, really. Heh Hahaha, yeah I can find some twisted joy in that somewhere.
But they seem to have discovered whole new depths of dark and depressing. Argh. Yeah, the 'badly told' dark and depressing. Sorry. I've really had it with the show. (Your icon is appropriate.)
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The degree to which people like Helo and Sharon and Gaeta and, well, everyone, dealt with this disappointment with relative ease seemed really implausible to me.
Helo and Sharon were so WTF! I'm glad someone else saw it. Someone commmented that they were just trying to be in the moment with their daughter. Except I don't think we've ever seen them like that with her before. So now they are playing? I wish I had seen their reactions when Hera wasn't in the room. As for Gaeta, as we know, my boy goes into deep denial. Things with Gaeta's mind are not right. Webisodes proved it. My poor boy is gearing up for a complete psychotic break soon. It's not going to be pretty and I'm totally worried about him.
The third goal hovering in the wings was 'give Kara a reason to turn to Anders so that we can have our beloved Kara/Anders ship back'.I don't know about Anders. I know that you feel he and Kara are going to have a thing. But I thought very little about Anders in this ep and I liked ( ... )
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Except I don't think we've ever seen them like that with her before. So now they are playing?
Exactly. It rang completely falsely because we've never see them do that before. They could have toned it down and shown them trying to be lighthearted with Hera but struggling.
As for Gaeta, as we know, my boy goes into deep denial. Things with Gaeta's mind are not right.
I got the feeling his plot was sidelined in order to let him play witness to Dee in this episode.
I get it for Dee but not Lee.
That's exactly it. It makes sense for Dee, and that's all the writers cared about because it was her death episode. It made no sense for Lee.
I know Kara was going to tell Lee about the body. That just amps up the orchestrated melodrama.
They will have their moment later, but there are things they each must do alone.
Sorry, DB, I felt that for a long time but I think that it's about the time the show proved it can show us anything else. And 'a moment' ain't enough for me.
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I do think though that if Dee had thought there was a chance of getting back together, she'd not have committed suicide and taken the emotional escapism of that instead. So I guess the boundaries were still firmly in place. But it still felt tonally 'off' in terms of how I would expect Lee to react to such news.
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There .... Boppy ... that's all I got!
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I guess I think Leoben just followed Kara, I didn't get a chummy vibe really, and I sekritly hope that his body was also on that bonfire... (cause really, does she want him blabbing to everyone that they found her body?)
I'll second Cheryl's comment, I hope we see a shift back to the good old days of tight writing and characters next week.
Hang in there!
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Yeah, I just don't understand why Kara tolerates Leoben's company at all. OK, he helped her find 'her destiny', which she was supposedly happy about now. But when her destiny turns out to be ashes, she doesn't lash out at him? Doesn't sound like Kara to me.
I was hoping they leave Leoben behind... last we saw he was fleeing Kara. Maybe everyone forgot about him?
*trying*
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And word on Bill. I found Bill really self indulgent and frankly letting everyone stew for hours and hours and not saying anything until after the suicides started? Its a failure in leadership. I understand it - Bill and Laura were devastated as well... but yeah. Lee? Grow a set and don't put off talking to the Quorum. *You* get on the loudspeaker and talk to the troops if daddy won't.
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letting everyone stew for hours and hours and not saying anything until after the suicides started? Its a failure in leadership.
I know! It was TERRIBLE.
From Lee's perspective it made no sense that he suddenly baulked at stepping in. Because initially he WAS the one yelling reassurance to the crowd and he's been the guy to step in before! They just gave him a crisis of confidence so he'd have a reason to talk to Dee. (WTF?!)
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I was very annoyed by the majority of it. Really, the only part I actually liked is that Leoben, the king of freaking people out, is now completely freaked out by Kara. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy, really. Heh.
And you know? I knew it was going to be dark and depressing; this is BSG, after all. But they seem to have discovered whole new depths of dark and depressing. Argh.
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Mmm, that's an interesting question. I'm such a completionist I probably would still watch even if it dragged on. But I would be even more resentful and annoyed! I am so glad it will be over soon.
the king of freaking people out, is now completely freaked out by Kara. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy, really. Heh
Hahaha, yeah I can find some twisted joy in that somewhere.
But they seem to have discovered whole new depths of dark and depressing. Argh.
Yeah, the 'badly told' dark and depressing. Sorry. I've really had it with the show. (Your icon is appropriate.)
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