I should warn you - I got seriously wordy, and I didn't spellcheck it *is bad*
I'm also quite likely to get vocal, so if you feel I'm out of line with any of my comments in your reviews or review responses, feel free to delete and give me a slap, ok?
I shall hem hem email you, although now I know it's there I can usually Find Things pretty well.
I know Lee=pretty but I just wondered if he did anything especially cute, such as wander around topless or have that cute formal uniform on. He is my dress-up dolly after all.
The cute formal uniform was in evidence. :D There's a lot of Lee in Razor--I think you will be pleased. And I need you to watch so we can bitch about Papa together. ;)
The point being made here is that Bill acted as Lee's conscience just as Lee's acted as his father's conscience in the past. I don't buy that this makes them the same as Cain because we know she SHOT her conscience, but anyway...
I don’t wish to get into spoiler territory, but I read that there was a scene cut involving Cain that may help to explain why she doesn’t have anyone to act as a conscience and that scene may be in the extended DVD release. Still, it was quite clear that she really was close to no one. She easily shot her XO and friend. And look what she ordered be done to Gina. All Cain had was herself as judge and jury (literally, in Tyrol and Helo's case) and no grasp that she was as bad, if not worse, than the enemy that she sought revenge against.
Bill apparently had no intention of berating his son for that decision, saying he did nothing wrong. Bill's point is that they all made decisions to accomplish their missions. That's what being a military leader means.I so wish Adama would have remembered that during the
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All Cain had was herself as judge and jury (literally, in Tyrol and Helo's case) and no grasp that she was as bad, if not worse, than the enemy that she sought revenge against. This is true. While I'm interested in the idea of scenes that give greater context for how she became the way she was, now that I've seen what a true monster she became I'm not sure I really want to see her 'humanised' if that makes sense? I'm so revolted by her. And I don't know how any scene could explain why she SHOT someone who tried to act as her conscience. But then I'll wait and see the extended DVD...
I don’t think it was an easy choice for Lee to argue to leave Kara and the others behind to fend for themselves, but their overall mission was to ensure the survival of humanity and that is what he was trying to doAbsolutely! Again, Adama demonstrates selective memory/reasoning. What he has to say to Lee here is really valid and moving and necessary. But he ignores his own advice on so many occasions that I find it hard to see past that. And there are
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I had a huge problem with that speech about Kendra and Cain, too. Not from a character perspective, because I think Adama (and Lee to some extent) has a tendency to nail himself to the cross take on the weight of the world and put way too much guilt on himself. I rolled my eyes at the whole "I started the war!" angst-fest, but he genuinely believes it. So I can see him equating himself with Cain. The problem I have with it is that it's hard to tell when Adama is functioning as a character and when he's funtioning is Ron's Mary-Sue The Moral Center of The Show, and so maybe I'm supposed to take that speech at the end as "the moral of the story." And if so, no, they really didn't show me that Cain was simply who Adama or anyone else could have been under different circumstances. Adama certainly has his flaws (!) but I really don't believe he would have murdered civilians or authorized rape. So I resented it because I felt like I was being shown one thing and told another.
i can see his point with Tigh a little bit. *ducks incoming*
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if so, no, they really didn't show me that Cain was simply who Adama or anyone else could have been under different circumstances Right. That speech implied that that was the point of Razor--if it was, then it didn't achieve its goal with me.
it does keep Adama honest because it forces him to self-question Yeah, but Lee and Laura have been far better at questioning him more astutely than Tigh. And I think that, of late anyway, he's listened to Laura more than anyone else. To me Laura is the biggest difference between the situation Cain faced and the one Adama found himself in--having a political leader of the fleet as well as a military one changes the whole dynamic. I think they could have made a lot more of that, and in light of that Tigh feels like a VERY minor player when it comes to moderating Adama.
he's both a father/father-figure to Lee and Kara, and he's also their commanding officer, and sometimes he doesn't know when to respond as one or the other-I think it's even worse than that sometimes--I think he forgets that he
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Hi! It's me again. *waves* Another quick comment to let you know I enjoyed this as well...and yeah...I'll email the rest. *LOL* I love your different take on Adama's checks and balances...very cool. :)
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I'm also quite likely to get vocal, so if you feel I'm out of line with any of my comments in your reviews or review responses, feel free to delete and give me a slap, ok?
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Lee is pretty: duh!
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I know Lee=pretty but I just wondered if he did anything especially cute, such as wander around topless or have that cute formal uniform on. He is my dress-up dolly after all.
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I don’t wish to get into spoiler territory, but I read that there was a scene cut involving Cain that may help to explain why she doesn’t have anyone to act as a conscience and that scene may be in the extended DVD release. Still, it was quite clear that she really was close to no one. She easily shot her XO and friend. And look what she ordered be done to Gina. All Cain had was herself as judge and jury (literally, in Tyrol and Helo's case) and no grasp that she was as bad, if not worse, than the enemy that she sought revenge against.
Bill apparently had no intention of berating his son for that decision, saying he did nothing wrong. Bill's point is that they all made decisions to accomplish their missions. That's what being a military leader means.I so wish Adama would have remembered that during the ( ... )
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This is true. While I'm interested in the idea of scenes that give greater context for how she became the way she was, now that I've seen what a true monster she became I'm not sure I really want to see her 'humanised' if that makes sense? I'm so revolted by her. And I don't know how any scene could explain why she SHOT someone who tried to act as her conscience. But then I'll wait and see the extended DVD...
I don’t think it was an easy choice for Lee to argue to leave Kara and the others behind to fend for themselves, but their overall mission was to ensure the survival of humanity and that is what he was trying to doAbsolutely! Again, Adama demonstrates selective memory/reasoning. What he has to say to Lee here is really valid and moving and necessary. But he ignores his own advice on so many occasions that I find it hard to see past that. And there are ( ... )
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i can see his point with Tigh a little bit. *ducks incoming* ( ... )
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Right. That speech implied that that was the point of Razor--if it was, then it didn't achieve its goal with me.
it does keep Adama honest because it forces him to self-question
Yeah, but Lee and Laura have been far better at questioning him more astutely than Tigh. And I think that, of late anyway, he's listened to Laura more than anyone else. To me Laura is the biggest difference between the situation Cain faced and the one Adama found himself in--having a political leader of the fleet as well as a military one changes the whole dynamic. I think they could have made a lot more of that, and in light of that Tigh feels like a VERY minor player when it comes to moderating Adama.
he's both a father/father-figure to Lee and Kara, and he's also their commanding officer, and sometimes he doesn't know when to respond as one or the other-I think it's even worse than that sometimes--I think he forgets that he ( ... )
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