Evangelical left - Wikipedia

[bobby1933]

While members of the evangelical left chiefly reside in mainline denominations, they are often heavily influenced by the Anabaptist social tradition.
Evangelical left - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaIncluded is a list of seventeen persons who fit the category

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[blue_eye]

I can only imagine how much the bible has been written and re-written throughout the years.

[bobby1933]

Yeah, there were dozens, possibly hundred, of writings by early followers of Jesus that never made it into the Bible. One, called the Gospel of Thomas, has been called the "fifth gospel" and it is very different from the others.

Some pf the books that did make it were added to by other authors. Some claiming to be letters from St Paul were almost certainly not by him.

The books of the New Testament were written long after Jesus' death, Mark was written around 80 a.d., Matthew around 90, John about 95, and Luke around 120 a.d.

It is always difficult to translate one language into another. When i try to quote poetry written originally in German or Spanish, i am told by German or Spanish speakers how awful the translation is and that i really should learn the language if i want to understand and appreciate the poem. (Unfortunately, my ability to learn a second language seems to be almost non-existent.)

But it is fairly easy for a scholar to tell when a text has been altered by someone other than the original author.

“If they give you ruled paper, write the other way”

[baron_waste]

You realize that not so VERY long ago your opinion would get you killed in some gruesome fashion…?  Yes, you do know, I recall you mentioning it - and you were sure that an “enemies list” today would feature you prominently as well.

To both of which I say, Good on ya, mate!

- I once had a surprisingly friendly discussion with a devout Christian over what might seem an odd question:  Was Jesus illiterate?  Sure, he read at the Temple (and proceeded to hack off the rabbis by offering, um, unsolicited commentary) but he might have already known the Book's contents, pre-programmed into him you might say, without actually knowing how to read it - for as a carpenter's son, his “earthly education” would have been hands-on apprenticeship, not penmanship.

[Not so odd as it sounds, if you recall that medieval troubadours could recite entire epic songs having heard them once.  I myself once had occasion to roll out, from memory

Re: “If they give you ruled paper, write the other way”

[bobby1933]

If Jesus was literate, there is no evidence that he ever wrote anything (nor, in fact did the Buddha). His writing in the sand at the "trial" of the adulteress was apocryphal. But Galilean society was probably pretty literate as ancient peoples went.

Mohammed was, i believe, illiterate, and his revelations were memorized and later transcribed by others.

But at least the Koran was written over a 22 year period while Mohammed was still alive. The New Testament took about 100 years and was not begun until twenty years after the death of its major subject, (a man whom, incidentally, i greatly admire.)

Re: “ruled paper”

[baron_waste]

whom, incidentally, i greatly admire

Well, yah, and King Arthur is admirable also, and depending on your politics, so is Robin Hood.  But as you point out above, there's just one small problem with those larger-than-life heroes - they've improved considerably in the telling!

- While Islam reveres Jesus as a prophet, the Qur'an has Gabriel repeatedly pointing out that it's simply absurd to claim that God Almighty had a son - it's akin to saying He Himself comes down the chimney on Christmas to leave presents!  Well enough, but the point is also made throughout that God can do absolutely anything He wants.  Anything.  Plus, that He created mankind originally.  So why could He not do so again?  Logically there's no reason for Islam to deny that Jesus was the Son of God - he gave as good evidence for it as could be expected, what with miracles and such - but Mohammed was angling hard for acceptance by the neighboring Jews and played to his intended audience.  Problem was, the “stiff-necked people” weren't having any, and matters

Re: “ruled paper”

[bobby1933]

I know that i know almost nothing about Jesus. They say that his mother's name was Mary (how they know that i don't know), that he taught for about eight months (or maybe 2.5 years), and he was executed by the Romans.

But i have a pretty good idea of what his teachings were (see my reply to blue eye), and so far as i am concerned his image was debased by Christians, not inflated. He did not, imppo, make any claims about himself (except that he that he thought he was wise) or say any thing that other teachers of wisdom did not say. A couple of Sufis were beheaded for proclaiming that that they were God. Their executioners did not know what they were talking about either.

[amaebi]

I wouldn't take the list of people on the evangelical left to be representative of the actual population Rather, it represents those who have been granted a high profile.

[bobby1933]

Sure, but 17 men and no women!
I suppose Black evangelicals would be in a separate statistical category.

[amaebi]

Exactly.