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[bellamissella]

Ok, I've been a total slacker about posting, and especially pictures.  I've gone to two events in the last little bit, a Steampunk night and the Civil War Returning Heroes Ball.   I didn't get many pictures at either... I need to get better at documenting events!  Click on the links for the whole gallery, I'm too lazy to upload pics right now...

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[vanessa_lynne]

Sweet! Excited to see this one! What's your fabric?

[bellamissella]

It's cotton, so not similar to either movie gown in that respect, but it's print is very much like the second one. I'll post a picture soon!

[padawansguide]

I don't think the designer would have done gowns that laced up the back. Milena used a lot of en forreau backs and sacque backs, none of the gowns I've gotten good looks at don't have lacing up the back. The top gown definitely is a sacque. (http://costumersguide.com/tbj/ma.jpg)

[padawansguide]

Huh, I stand corrected! :-)

http://costumersguide.com/MA/masq10.jpg

http://costumersguide.com/MA/grace/mourning2.jpg

http://costumersguide.com/MA/grace/palepink1.jpg

http://screenmusings.org/MarieAntoinette/pages/MA_0714.htm

[bellamissella]

That's what I was thinking too, just trim on a stiffened bodice. But maybe I can make it work as a stomacher... And thanks for those other links! I didn't think they had done lace up backs either, shows how observant I am!

[renna_darling]

Your civil war ball gown is gorgeous! I love how it turned out!

[bellamissella]

Thank you! I'll have to get better pictures of it soon on my dummy or something. :)

[padawansguide]

I believe this style is historically accurate - see this discussion on my LJ when I basically asked the same thing and people had really helpful answers:

http://padawansguide.livejournal.com/1085634.html

(Not sure if it addresses how the stomachers were attached? Pins seem popular ways of closings things - of course, movies use lots of cheats!)

ETA: Whoops, now that I read, I asked something slightly different, but maybe it will be helpful anyway as there don't always seem to be hard and fast 18c rules. :-)

[bellamissella]

Thanks! You can't always trust movies to be perfectly historically accurate, but I think it's true that to an extent, anything goes. And I am aiming for a latter date for this francaise anyway. So thanks, very helpful info! :)

[bellamissella]

Oh, and I'm thinking I'll do a laced front (like Katherine's dress here: http://koshka-the-cat.livejournal.com/933323.html#cutid1, though she has robings) and then pin the stomacher over that, hopefully hiding the pins with trimming. We'll have to see... :)

Thanks for your help!

[blackcat452]

Here are two examples that dont appear to have robings, unless they are under the decorations. I get the impression that robings are an earlier style, and towards the end of the century they started to got out of fashion .

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/C.I.61.13.1a,b

http://fashionmuseum.fitnyc.edu/code/emuseum.asp?collection=29&collectionname=18th%20Century%20Gallery&style=single¤trecord=5&page=collection&profile=objects&searchdesc=18th%20Century%20Gallery&sessionid=57CA6546-690F-4D8B-A60B-DAFA3BEA6C49&action=collection¤trecord=6

[bellamissella]

Thanks, I think you're right about later style maybe not having them. Thanks!

[mandie_rw]

I second this! There's definitely at least one sack in the Kyoto book without robings, dated to about 1775. I agree it seems to be a later style. :)