Okay y'all. I got my 4.5 DVD box set today! Cus it came out today in the UK.
As usual it looks like the UK set is missing at least one awesome thing - and no I'm not talking about the webisodes, which, yes, it is also missing.
There's no extended cut of Islanded in a Stream of Stars. Which is weird because I was sure I saw a website's
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Re: Lee and Adama being alike...I think they both can be very stubborn, and self-centered at times, and cutting/cruel when they feel someone they love has disappointed them. The show tried to insinuate quite often that Lee was just like his father in both the military and the personal aspects (with their attraction to self-destructive alcoholic blondes in A Measure of Salvation) with varying degrees of success. Neither of them seem much alike and Zak seems like he comes from a different family altogether.
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I don't really see Lee and Adama as alike though. I know that the show tried to insinuate that similarity but I always felt it was far too forced the same way I always felt the show was trying to suggest that I should find Adama heroic instead of the idiotic ass I eventually decided that he was.
They are certainly both stubborn, but I think it's far more telling to look at what they are stubborn in service to. Adama is entirely self-centred in his value-sets, ideas of loyalty, and is stubborn when he doesn't get his way.
Lee is stubborn when he genuinely believes that there is a moral stand he needs to make. And it's rarely personal.
While yes, Lee can be a little petty and self-centred when he's hurting, I generally feel that he has a more...sane grasp of when someone's hurt him and when someone simply disagrees with him than Adama who takes everything personally. Lee ( ... )
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Lee: *small smile, slightly teasing* So you don't think I'm quite ready.
Laura: You're ready *big smile* *pause* *patented Mary McDonnell heartbreaking delivery as Laura almost breaks* I'm not.
Oh. My. God.
I think I mostly want to hurt people for NOT INCLUDING THIS IN THE FIRST CUT, OH YOU STUPID BASTARDS!!!!!!! And then I wonder whether it would have made any difference, ultimately.
Laura and Baltar in the raptor during BotS also sort of makes me want to flap my hands a bit.
I think in some ways I'd rather not know that these things were here and were then cut out in favor of, well, most of the things they were cut out in favor of. It's harder to think about how easily it might have been just a little bit better. *sigh*
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I understand your ambivalence. In some ways I share it. But mostly, I think, since there was quite a lot of nice moments and relatively little fail here, it's nice that my last memories of watching "new" BSG are a little less fail-tinged. I didn't realise...how little Mary McDonnell got to really act or how much I missed it until I saw her break-down-but-not-really-while-smiling here. *snuffle*
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The only place where I even slightly elaborated was the eyeroll, which might have just been a patented *I don't know whether to be exasperated or terrified* Gaius Face. But I mean, that's as good as an eyeroll, right?
To be honest, I didn't really notice that about Tory's scene. I mean, you're right, but I guess I was just so relieved and grateful to see a scene about Tory, and what's more, one where we are invited to feel sympathy for her (!) that I don't care? Also I kind of like the whole Cavil As Evil Jackass retcon so it was more of that?
Perhaps another of those moments ruined by the context of everything else *sigh*
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MUST SEE THE SCENE WHERE ATHENA ADOPTS RANDOM SIX, LIKE, NOW. And the Roslin/Baltar awesomeness. And HeadSix's gorgeous and yet completely ridiculous dress. <3
Lee: *in this hilariously awkward, I'm-Being-Friendly-But-We-All-Know-I'm-Not tone* This is a significant reunion. We feel we should be here.
Ellen: In case we all join hands and shoot magic fireworks out of our asses?
*snerk*
I'm disappointed that the bit of Gina in "Daybreak" vaguely promised by the Prop Auction is not there. (There was a costume being auctioned that said it was from a deleted "Daybreak" scene where Boomer encounters Gina, pre-attacks and sleeper-agenting and everything. *helpless flail*)
Again, you rock for posting all this.
ETA: Anyway, Tigh wants to know what she's doing cus she shouldn't be "out here," I dunno. Out of her cage or whatever.Eh, to be fair I'm sure it's equal parts "ohcrap, now I have to worry about you running into me and Ellen" and actual concern that she ( ... )
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I am SO GLAD I am not the only one who loves the rigoddamndiculous dress.
And, wait, what? GINA WHAT?! Dammit, first no Ellen speech now they deprive me of GINA?! Being all sleeper agenty at Boomer?! This is unfair.
I'm hoping that maybe they're going to use it in The Plan? I know that they're using alternate shots and deleted scenes in it so...maybe? *crosses fingers* Unless it was never shot I can't think of any reason not to include it.
Eh, to be fair I'm sure it's equal parts "ohcrap, now I have to worry about you running into me and Ellen" and actual concern that she just got attacked for being in the wrong part of the ship.
Yeah, I confess I was being cranky and sarky at that point. And bitter that I no longer love Tigh with the crazy love I used to have for him. If pressed I think I'd even say that he was more concerned about her getting punked again.
And you're very welcome!
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*feels your pain omg* Now that I've (ahem) seen a couple of these scenes myself, I was guessing Gina was the one who met her at the academy. Although that doesn't quite wash with Gina being a civilian recruit, so I dunno.
Edit: Should you feel the urge to hook a sister up, one thing that has not made its way onto the internet yet is the WTF Grecian Dress scenes.
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I think you are right in what Ron would probably say. He likely wants to have it both ways, but it really doesn't work. Personally, I want to view Zak's remarks as being more about HIM than Lee. Though I doubt Lee ever saw it, I think he was the favored son. And it's easier for Zak to accept that if he tells himself it's because they are so much alike whereas the reality is Adama favored Lee not just because he was the good soldier, but also because he had a mind of his own and accomplished everything he did on his own without Adama's help.
I've only really seen him lash out at Adama.
Are you forgetting about or blocking out Kara? ;)
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But I did forget the awesome punching scene in 1x12 and yes, that would count. I think I would say though, that Kara definitely counts as part of the wreckage of the Adama family which is Lee's biggest area of non-functioning, since Kara is really Adama's favourite son. And also is all tied up with Lee's feelings for Zak (especially, at least, during season one), which are in turn tied up with his anger towards his father. I kind of think he simultaneously wants Kara as a replacement for his brother (or to love her in place of his brother), and resents her for, well, everything she gets from his father and military life so easily ( ... )
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