BSG: Guess What's Coming To Dinner?

May 19, 2008 16:48

So last week it was delayed by illness and I was quite critical. Fortunately this week the response has only been delayed by AWESOME and I LOVE IT.

Really, I wanted an extra day to let it all settle in my head. It was just nonstop stuff happening.

Laura & Lee. )

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madenglishbloke May 19 2008, 23:10:46 UTC
some thoughts...

starbucks expression on colonial one when she finally figured out what the hybrids harbinger of death kittens comment meant was pure... i dunno what it was pure, but whatever it was, it was pure whatever it was...

there has been a fair bit of speculation in various places re: gaeta singing, and is he/isnt he a cylon?
if he'd been singing all along the watchtower, then possibly - but no, this is just something the writers haver chucked in to throw everyone off.
i still say its galactica.
but youre right, the final model needs to be someone either more important, or brand new.

oh - and i found this, and thought it was kinda cool...

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beccatoria May 21 2008, 13:08:19 UTC
starbucks expression on colonial one when she finally figured out what the hybrids harbinger of death kittens comment meant was pure... i dunno what it was pure, but whatever it was, it was pure whatever it was...

I totally agree. projectjulie claims that it's because they're in LOOOOVE, but to be honest, I disagree less because I think it's implausible and more because dammit, even if they are, that look is...huger than just that. Like I don't feel that's enough to explain what was going on there... *shakes head*

But yeah, pure something...

oh - and i found this, and thought it was kinda cool...

Hahaha! That's nifty.

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asta77 May 20 2008, 02:35:31 UTC
I loved your Lee/Laura observations and I'm sure you won't be shocked to learn I completely agree with you. ;)

And perhaps from his side of the fence, that's a healthy development. He "knows how this works," but he wants to help her anyway.His words struck me too. Lee Adama is definitely a changed man. In 'He That Believeth...' he was willing to welcome Kara back even if she is a Cylon. In 'The Ties That Bind', Lee, the idealist and champion of democracy, tells Zarak that "Sometimes a benevolent tyrant is exactly what you need.” And now he's willing to accept that Laura won't or can't be completely truthful with the Quorum. I don't think Lee's become jaded or cynical, he still has a deep desire to make things better, but he's become more of a realist, recognizing that things need to be the way they are for the immediate future given the circumstances they are in. When Laura went along with Zarek's plan to have Lee denounce his father or when she came up with the plan to assassinate Cain, Lee was hurt, angry, and harbored a ( ... )

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beccatoria May 21 2008, 13:22:56 UTC
I loved your Lee/Laura observations and I'm sure you won't be shocked to learn I completely agree with you. ;)

You did? WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT DID YOU DO WITH ASTA?! :p

His words struck me too. Lee Adama is definitely a changed man. In 'He That Believeth...' he was willing to welcome Kara back even if she is a Cylon. In 'The Ties That Bind', Lee, the idealist and champion of democracy, tells Zarak that "Sometimes a benevolent tyrant is exactly what you need.” And now he's willing to accept that Laura won't or can't be completely truthful with the Quorum.See, it's weird, I both agree and disagree with you here. On the one hand you're right, Lee has changed and matured, I suppose (although when you mature on idealism I'm never sure if it's a good thing or a tragedy). But at the same time, I see a lot about his behaviour here that is exactly in synch with his behaviour in earlier series. He accepted Roslin's chamalla use and religious status even though he didn't like it, much the way his initial response to her visions isn't to ( ... )

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asta77 May 22 2008, 00:55:50 UTC
This is where I both agree and disagree with you. ;)

(although when you mature on idealism I'm never sure if it's a good thing or a tragedy).

Somewhere in between I would say.

And I still feel that the Cain issue - while he fundamentally had issues with assassination to be sure - was more because he'd been cut out of the decision - because Laura didn't trust him enough to tell him and give him the chance to either talk her around, or be the guy who raised a weapon for her again. She took away his choice. If she'd told him, I could actually see him volunteering to do it himselfI really can’t see him volunteering to do it himself - at least not at that point in time. It was fundamentally abhorrent to him. But after Laura copped to the election tampering which led to Baltar’s disastrous presidency and everything that happened on New Caprica, now he might actually see why she made the decision she did and, if in her shoes, would do the same ( ... )

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projectcyborg May 20 2008, 19:19:03 UTC
I can't find it in myself to be anything but FILLED WITH MANIACAL, DEVIANT GLEE about Laura telling off Tory and whoring her out. OMFG HOTTT.

THE GAY, SHE IS TOO STRONG.

and I still maintain that's the certain je ne sais quoi in the Kara/Laura scene as well... even if you're not ready to admit it. ;)

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beccatoria May 21 2008, 13:43:12 UTC
and I still maintain that's the certain je ne sais quoi in the Kara/Laura scene as well... even if you're not ready to admit it. ;)

It's less that I don't want to admit it and more 2 things -

1) I'm sure that's not what the writers intended. And while that has absolutely nothing to do with the best or most sense-making way to interpret the scene, it does make me wonder just what in the hell they did intend, and what they were trying to say, or what the director was trying to say, or whether this was purely a choice from the actresses to play it that way or...what? Was there something intentional here, or is it a case of characterisation being so strong it takes on a life of its own?

2) To a degree, I honestly don't think that them being in love is enough. I already believe that they're in love on some theological level that is neither platonic nor romantic but...well, theological linkage. The same way that when I'm trying to see the show's "writerly canon" (which isn't my modus operandi, but I do occasionally), I accept that ( ... )

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projectcyborg May 22 2008, 04:09:32 UTC
I find it amusing that you are attempting to have a rational discussion with me about this! AS IF I AM NOT PARALYZED BY FLAIL. But yes:

I think that the je ne sais quoi in that scene really is is the fact that those two characters are the poles around which everything theological and mythical and mystical in this show revolves, and that they are both starting to realise that. Which is terrifying and awesome.

COMPLETELY. COMPLETELY GAY. AND THE EVEN GREATER MIRACLE: the writers have apparently started to realize it!

So I accept your explanation. Also (someone?) pointed out: there could be a little of "and the last time we met you tried to shoot me in the head, don't think I've forgotten" in there too.

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JUMP nightxade May 21 2008, 01:32:57 UTC
1. Gaeta: I've watched both eps now and I'm going to bet my first born that him singing is just an obvious red herring. Beautiful voice though and I like the idea that it's added to Sam's antsiness ( ... )

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Re: JUMP beccatoria May 21 2008, 13:57:17 UTC
1. Gaeta: I've watched both eps now and I'm going to bet my first born that him singing is just an obvious red herring. Beautiful voice though and I like the idea that it's added to Sam's antsiness.

No! Not Ivy! She's too adorable to be bet on the vaguaries of Ron Moore's plot twists! :p

But srsly, I'm glad you agree. I think it's too obvious as well, and hope it was just an excuse to showcase the actor's beautiful voice.

2. The Final Five?! *glances shiftily at icon...* :p

3. Yes I get that we don't want to completely lose our humanity, but we also don't want to lose our lives. Democracy got Baltar voted in and peple landed on New Caprica.

Actually, one of the things that shocked me most about this show was when they pointed out to me how dangerous democracy could be. And I'm like...one of my core ideals is democratic government. And it still is even though I now have a stronger appreciation of its danger. I'm...unsure though, where I fall on not having a quorum during a time of war. I'm pretty sure that we don' ( ... )

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Re: JUMP nightxade May 21 2008, 20:13:57 UTC
BSG has most certainly been about turning our beliefs and understandings upside down. To me, the show is basically saying: "Do all your morals, values, rules and regulations hold true when you are fighting for your very existence?" I'm a firm believer in the "No." Not that I want to see a breakdown of everything. We don't want Lord of the Flies here, but, as Roslin becomes more of a dictator in desperate times, I'm finding myself wishing Cain was around because dude, Roslin/Cain 08 would have rocked. *airlocks council ( ... )

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aarmand78 May 21 2008, 05:45:00 UTC
Just joined LJ...

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