Comments | beccatoria: DC Comics: Huntress Origins

beccatoria

DC Comics: Huntress Origins

Jan 13, 2012 22:27

So. DC have announced a new comic, and Helena Wayne is coming back, huh?

( Helena Wayne, Helena Bertinelli: Didn't realise how much difference an origin made. )

comics, dc cancelations, violent nihilism, helena wayne, huntress, dc comics, origins for everyone!, helena bertinelli

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be_themoon January 14 2012, 00:26:23 UTC

... I love how whenever I have super complicated thoughts about DC and its comics it turns out you have made a post that tends to sum up a lot of what I felt.

KUDOS.

Also, yeah, DC that whole "WE ARE SUPER INTO DIVERSITY" thing doesn't work as much when you don't advertise your POC-led books and then cancel them because sales are low. UGH.

I'm really hoping The Ray miniseries turns into an ongoing. At the moment it feels a little bit like that book DC can point at and go "but look we are super diverse!" but at the same time I am sitting there chinhandsing in delight at a book whose only white supporting cast is his adoptive parents. I CAN GET ON BOARD WITH THIS, DC. but why is it only four issues? why is this a miniseries and not an ongoing? why has there been like zero advertising for it?

WHY ARE THERE STILL LIKE A DOZEN BOOKS WITH BATMAN IN THEM WHAT THE FUCK. I would say we don't need more but Batman Inc. is probably the only chance I have of seeing Steph and Cass again, so.

UGH DC WHY DO I STILL CARE ABOUT YOU

beccatoria January 14 2012, 16:13:10 UTC

Awww, yay, glad I at least make sense to someone. ;)

I have super complicated thoughts about the diversity issue because I definitely don't buy into the "well why aren't people buying it?" aspect because, well bluntly because I believe that popular culture and the media has a social responsibility beyond the purely capitalistic. I also think that there's a pattern of not putting non-WASP characters in prominent roles, or under advertising stuff, etc. Equally I've read a number of articles, etc., about how difficult it is particularly with certain segments of the hardcore comics readership to convince them of anything new or changing, and advertising or no, I think there's a remarkable reluctance to moving to new incarnations of characters, and then you have these companies where the readership hates change, but the stuff they're harking back to is from this very male-WASP-dominated era and anything that doesn't have the pedigree of coming from that time is always going to be perceived as second rate, and that's...a complex ( ... )

I can't believe I just wrote this much sorry! be_themoon January 14 2012, 23:52:49 UTC

Yeah, they have a lot of issues going on with diversity and advertising. Comics with women and PoC leads never get advertised as much - Mr. Terrific & Static Shock & Batwing I think got more advertising than I've seen any PoC-led comic get, but it still wasn't a lot, and Batwing got it almost entirely because of the whole "Bat" thing I suspect ( ... )

IT'S FINE, ALL THE WRITINGS! beccatoria January 15 2012, 02:31:00 UTC

Yeah and it probably is also worth mentioning, while we're being whiny grumpy people, that Voodoo was a character created by Image when they still held the rights to the Wildstorm universe and props to DC for running with it, but I guess it at least feels like an interesting subcurrent that one of Wildstorm's most iconic female characters is a woman of colour when the same cannot be said for DC (and the closest, Cass Cain, is languishing).

That said, I don't particularly have a problem with the concept of her being an alien hybrid. I don't think it's inherently sexist, racist or exploitative given that the story is told from her perspective. However there are a number of ways it could be all three of those things depending on how it's handled, which I'm not sure I'm qualified to comment on. I've heard they've turned down the objectification but can't comment personally ( ... )

anonymous January 16 2012, 02:57:09 UTC

Does not the image of Batman taking a mint choc chip ice cream onto the bat plane at least justify the existance of the Batman the Dark Knight?

Even if it is sadly followed by Alfred professing a desire to play Hugh Hefner to the pathetic new bunny girl foe.

This is a bold new ice cream eating take on the batman and not just another slot filler!

beccatoria January 16 2012, 13:12:29 UTC

Alas, while Batman: Odyssey is on the stands, this book can't even fill the need for a narratively incoherent take on a psychotically surreal Batman. ;)

http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads//2011/07/odyssey-bruce-face.jpg

anonymous January 17 2012, 00:29:30 UTC

No fair!

I cant compete with the WTF! of Odyssey.

I have only been "privileged" to read the newer issues with Batman riding dinosaurs and giant bats but didnt realise it was continuation of a past title.

Will have to hunt them down. I don't imagen it will all make sence after reading them though :P

beccatoria January 17 2012, 16:42:19 UTC

Yeah it was supposed to be...12 of 13 issues or something? Anyway, six came out before the relaunch and so they just branded the next lot "vol 2" and renumbered or somesuch but it's continuing the story and no, it probably won't help you understand any of it at all, but this summary is probably one of the funniest things you will ever read:

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/03/08/batman-odyssey-neal-adams-insane/

anonymous January 19 2012, 02:04:11 UTC

:) LOL thank you thats just like crack to me!

Im glad they did and are still but what the hell were DC thinking when they published that.

It makes you think that if your big enough a name in the comics industry they will let you write anything.

Id normally be evil and torrent it but it seems not even pirates want to touch it. I hope it gets a TPB soon.

Talking of What the hell moments, what do you think of the new Action Comic? I was really enjoying the re-introduction, early days of a young, less than Invincible Superman. It was refreshing to see a little bit of a different take on the character but then all of a sudden it went "oh no its the anti superman army from the future!"

Still i guess comics would not be comics without the SUPRISE moments.

beccatoria January 19 2012, 02:29:31 UTC

Okay dude, I'm gonna straight up ask you a question that confrontational, so I apologise if you don't deserve it, but hopefully you will understand why I'm wary and feel the need to ask.

Basically, the reason I screen anon comments is someone I know IRL but who I didn't want to be in contact with, and hadn't been in contact with for a very long time, found my LJ (and various other online IDs over the years) and started trying to talk to me while hiding his identity. This freaked me out and pissed me off because it's lacking in basic courtesy. Hence I turned on IP logging and anon screening. But I don't like to be a paranoid person so I don't generally check that shit unless I have a reason to be suspicious and your first comment was obviously not from a local IP.

But your later comments are from a different IP and one I thought I recognised as potentially local from the first batch of digits ( ... )