Things I do not like... :/

[bbgirlz]

VETTER: You make it sound as if they were never really close.

KLEIN: I can only tell you what John said when I asked him who he would call among the Beatles if he was in trouble-you know, if he had a real problem. He said he’d call George. That surprised me. Then I asked him if he’d ever been really close with Paul and he said no. Not that he didn’t

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[followthesun78]

That was a very bitter time for all the guys, so yes I can imagine John saying something like that but not really meaning it. And as far as Klein goes? I wouldn't trust anything that man says with all the shit he pulled as well.

[bbgirlz]

Sadly, I think that John meant it in 'that' moment. Of course things changed with time and so did his attitude towards Paul and whatever went on between them, but in that moment I do believe he meant that.

As for Klein.. I know some stuff about him, but I am SURE that there are many things that I don't know (basically because I haven't made any deep research).

[jwllover]

This always makes me wonder about the hypothesis of John trying to tell Paul he was in love with him but Paul either didn't clue in or rejected him.

There's nothing that Paul did to hurt him that badly--John himself couldn't even come up with a single event. Poor Paul--he is tormented to know what he ever did to hurt John that badly.

[bbgirlz]

I think pretty much the same, I mean it makes me wonder if that's what hurt John that badly. There's really not much room for other explanation. He did mention that he felt hurt when Paul started to work by himself more often and then he ranted about the "why don't we do it on the road?" recording session, but I really don't think that's enough as to get so bitter.

And yes, poor Paul must still be wondering what the hell did he do to hurt John that badly, though at this point I think he might know, but of course, he won't say it.

[bbgirlz]

I completely agree, (and I said it before) that the infamous quote is not convincing. I thought about the "Why don't we do it on the road" recording session, and I'm glad you brought the "The Family Way" incident, because I'd forgotten about it.

What also caught my attention in this quote is that it's very clear that John's 'pain' or 'hurt' comes from an emotional rejection, not a creative one, like he tried to make believe. "Every time he left his guard down Paul would go and hurt him" or something like that.

It makes lots of sense that Klein wanted the public to view John as the victim in that whole mess. And back then, I'm sure a lot of people bought that idea. Actually, I am sure that a lot of people still think that.. :/.

[mollybeakers]

Klein was a fucking shithead, and likely FANNED THE FLAMES in the situation. Seriously, he had no reason to be chatting with John about such shit in the first place. Klein was yoyo with a dick; it was all about money in the end.

JB

[bbgirlz]

"Yoyo with a dick" - Epic! LOL.

Now, I know what you mean, that's why I said that I'm not sure how reliable is Klein, but in some way I could see John telling him something like this (maybe not that drastic, not to Klein, anyway) because in that time John sort of did what Yoko did. And Yoko 'trusted' Klein...

It was all about the money, indeed.

[jwllover]

I also had to chuckle at the John-would-call-George-first scenario.

One also has to consider the question: "who would you call if you were in trouble?" Being "in trouble" could mean alot of things--especially to John. Ringo and Paul were probably disinclined to involve themselves in John's shenanigans, while George might (at least in John's mind, since John still perceived George as a kid who he could influence.)

[bbgirlz]

Yes... that answer made me chuckle, as well. But in all honesty I don't think John would have gone to George if he was in trouble. You have a very good point there when you say that in John's mind George was easier to influence, but that doesn't mean that he would go to Geo.

[jwllover]

yup. Kind of a strange answer. In order of closeness with John, it was Paul, Ringo, then George.

[bbgirlz]

Agreed..