To The Liberals Bitching At Obama

Sep 13, 2014 20:52

Look, motherfuckers, every two term president since we became idiots and created the two term system after The Second World War has gotten shit at the end of his term. And, at the same time, every two term president - of either party - has acomplished really good shit ( Read more... )

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gonzo21 September 13 2014, 19:34:22 UTC
Personally I'd argue that Bush didn't actually save the world after the global banking collapse. I think Gordon Brown deserves the credit for that. The world had no plan, Bush had no plan, the US administration was paralysed. But it was Gordon Brown who had the idea, and called the G8 together, convinced them of a course of action, and drove them into following it. And Bush eagerly jumped onboard because he had no idea what else he might do.

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bart_calendar September 13 2014, 19:41:30 UTC
He still did it.

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matgb September 15 2014, 01:48:12 UTC
I'd agree with that, Brown might've been one of the idiots that drove the car off the cliff, but he also knew what to do after it had happened, which was more than most.

Still a net negative for ignoring (and, indeed, laughing) at the warnings in the run up to, but he did deserve some points for realising how bad it was and what needed doing after it had happened.

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gonzo21 September 15 2014, 21:17:01 UTC
Oh yes, for sure Brown badly mishandled the economy. And selling off the nations gold reserves when the price of gold was at an all time low will go down in history as one of the worst economic mistakes this nation has ever made.

But I do think he was the only world leader who had even a hint of a plan about what to do about it, and I think he genuinely did pull the G8 together.

It's interesting, I do think Brown ~could~ have been a good PM, if he'd just... broken away from New Labour.

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evilzerg_r September 13 2014, 19:39:23 UTC
I'm not a liberal and do not care too much about Obama but was you seriously afraid to be nuked in the past? And why aren't you now when nuclear weapon is spreading in the world (India, Pakistan, North Korea, South Africa, Iran, Israel, even Islamic radicals have stolen some nuclear materials in Iraq)? More reasons to be afraid, I suppose.

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bart_calendar September 13 2014, 19:44:12 UTC
I don't know how old you are, but, yes, those of us who grew up in the 70s and 80s were seriously afraid to be nuked. Every time we hears an airplane flying low we'd run to shelters. And we were told by pretty much every adult in our lives that we would probably die before we became grownups.

As to why the fear is less now? Fuck, if terrorists do shit it will be one or two nukes - most people will live. in the 70s and 80s it was going to be all the nukes and everyone would die.

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evilzerg_r September 13 2014, 19:59:30 UTC
Funny. On the other side it was never so hysterical, and I thought about the same picture in USA. I've heard about some extravagant people who'd built a personal bunker for this case, but it was the same sort of joke like one about Tom Cruise who've built a bunker waiting for alien invasion.

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starwatcher307 September 14 2014, 04:07:27 UTC
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When I was in 1st and 2nd grade -- 1959 & 60, so I'm older than Bart -- we actually watched films in class to show us how, then practiced "duck and cover" in case of nuclear attack. I clearly remember the bright flash on the screen, and scrambling under my desk with my hands under my head.

Yeah, fat lot of good that would've done, but kids did what teachers told us. Personally, I wasn't as fearful as Bart, probably because it never felt real to me. We had fire drills for fires that never happened, so obviously the attack drill meant that wouldn't happen, either.
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eatsoylentgreen September 13 2014, 20:29:12 UTC
I personally think Bush II actually ruined the banking system by bailing it out.

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quirkytizzy September 13 2014, 21:53:02 UTC
I'd never thought about looking at some of the President's accomplishments like this. This is really neat - thank you Bart!

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bart_calendar September 13 2014, 23:39:28 UTC
He helped the Soviet Union collapse by convincing them we were more insane than we were thus causing them to destroy their economy building up a military that would never really be needed. Also by giving tons of weapons to Afghanistan when the Soviet Union decided to create their own Vietnam.

He was a complete dipshit in general and both these tactics may have only accidentally worked, but work they did.

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