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bardicvoice

4.8 Wishful Thinking: Careful What You Wish For

Nov 09, 2008 23:26

4.8 Wishful Thinking: Careful What You Wish For

Cursed coin warps wishes,
Sowing chaos through a town.
Dean remembers Hell.

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ben edlund, jared padalecki, robert singer, episode commentaries, supernatural university, christopher lennertz, jensen ackles, dean winchester, sam winchester, meta, supernatural

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karenmiller November 10 2008, 06:49:49 UTC

Delicious, delightful commentary, as usual. How happy I am that I found your blog!

I was particularly struck by the fact that Dean only mentioned what he saw in hell, and not what he personally experienced. Since we know for certain he was physically tormented, what do you think means?

bardicvoice November 11 2008, 19:53:39 UTC

Thank you! I'm happy you got here too - and I'm honored that you friended me. I've been reading your books and enjoying them (Hekat is certainly a memorable character, if not one I'd care to meet in an alley!), and I seem to remember a couple of long fanfics you did years ago for The Professionals. I was very happy to see you get professionally published - that gives the rest of us hope! *grin ( ... )

karenmiller November 11 2008, 20:33:45 UTC

Gosh! Well, that was unexpected. How lovely. *g ( ... )

bardicvoice November 14 2008, 01:02:18 UTC

And while he might be able to dismiss the physical as being less important, or possibly even transitory, I wonder if he knows Sam wouldn't, or couldn't. And if he was witness to other people's physical torment, and it distressed him, then we're looking at him dismissing his own suffering as being somehow less important than the suffering of others. Which does raise, I think, further questions about his self-image.

Bang on, on both points, I think! We've seen how Sam react to seeing Dean hurt; all of Dean's pain matters to him, far more than the physical matters to Dean.

I will check in with your website. Thanks!

I'm right there with you in loving Castiel and his whole development. Misha Collins does a brilliant job in conveying that Cas is not human, and yet, his contact with Dean is humanizing him ... probably not without consequences, as witness his confession that he has lost his certainty of right and wrong. Wow!

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bardicvoice November 11 2008, 19:58:25 UTC

My guess is we'll get two kick-ass episodes for November sweeps, this week and next, and will then have a holiday hellatus to endure.

But it's got to be better than season two, where the hiatus came between episodes 9 and 10, with the question, Dean - what did he tell you? ringing in our ears!

anastdean November 10 2008, 11:11:16 UTC

I'M 100% WITH YOU IN ALL YOUR VERY WELL DOCUMENTED COMMENTS. I'M ALSO GLAD THAT IN THESE BOARDS, THE FOCUS IS ON WHAT I CHERISH MOST: THE BROTHERS, THEIR LOVE AND THE LIFE EXAMPLE THEY SET.

bardicvoice November 11 2008, 20:01:23 UTC

Thank you! To my mind, the relationship between the Winchester brothers is the heart and soul of the show - the rest is just set dressing.

mimblexwimble November 10 2008, 11:55:01 UTC

I don't think it was your intention, but your meta made me want to cry. I said, "Oh, boys" about fifty million times.

bardicvoice November 11 2008, 20:02:31 UTC

Sometimes writing these is a problem, just because I have to keep reaching for the Kleenex ... makes typing difficult, that!

fannishliss November 10 2008, 11:56:37 UTC

Some felt that Dean's admission that he remembered Hell came out of the blue, but looking back over s4, I think we've already seen a lot of evidence regarding what Dean experienced in Hell, and Dean's reactions to what happened there. Like you say, Dean is protecting Sam by not telling, and I think it's because what he saw there was the Evil Sam he feared in Yellow Fever. Since his return Dean has been emotionally adamant that Sam refuse to use his powers, and I think that's because that's what he saw (and possibly they were used against him) in Hell. It's also strongly born out by Uriel's directive to get Dean to tell Sam what he saw. I think we'll soon find out!

I think the parents came back from Bali badly sunburned for one thing!

Thanks again for another great meta.

bardicvoice November 11 2008, 20:09:31 UTC

The idea that Dean was tortured with the image of Sam having turned evil is a good one. I had guessed that perhaps one reason the angels pulled Dean out of Hell is that he might have learned something there about Azazel's mysterious endgame and the role Sam is supposed to play in it - although if he did, you'd think that the angels would know it by now. But if Dean saw his tormentors wearing Sam's face with yellow eyes - that would have been agony, and no mistake.

I am so impatient for the next couple of episodes!

Thanks!