It struck me that if the movieverse ever did Civil War (the comics event in which superheroes, most notably Cap and Iron Man, fought each other over superhero registration), Steve's and Tony's roles would be reversed, if it could happen at all.
This is something that I've thought but had a hard time putting into words. I just cannot see Tony ever supporting any kind of government-mandated registration, not after what he's been through in relation to the government. Even if he didn't have a huge aversion to doing things because someone told him to, after them trying to take the suit from him in Iron Man 2 (and really his experience with them through his weapons building), I just would not be able to buy him siding with them on that issue at all, let alone becoming the poster boy for it. And with how his relationship with Bruce developed in the movie, how much he believed and trusted him to get control, I can't really buy him giving up and shooting him into space, either.
Well, movieverse Tony hasn't been through alcoholism the way comicverse Tony has, and really, comicverse Tony being a recovering, on the wagon alcoholic was a key part to his convinction that superheroes should be accountable to someone other than themselves (as the fabulous Christos Cage issue Rubicon where Steve and Tony meet mid-Civil War specifies). Still, he was originally anti registration until the Stanford incident, which also contributed, and being told about Project Wide Awake as the alternative plan to registration (which would have used Sentinels to monitor superheroes). Now actually I don't think the movies will do Civil War, but a lengthy fanfic could get movieverse Tony into the same frame mind if written carefully and using a similar set of circumstances, definitely the alcoholism and the experience of nearly killing someone because of using the armour when drunk. (One of many reasons why I appreciate that Cage issue is that many of the other Civil War writers never bothered to give Tony any good arguments for his
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This is a really good point. I actually wonder if the movies are ever gonna touch on the alcoholism or not - I know Favreau said he even wanted to do Demon In A Bottle for IM2 but they basically told him that he couldn't. I know we've seen lots of Tony drinking in the MCU, enough that if they suddenly came out and went "hey, he's got a drinking problem," it wouldn't come completely out of nowhere, but I'm leaning more towards they aren't going to.
and being told about Project Wide Awake as the alternative plan to registration (which would have used Sentinels to monitor superheroes)See and this is really what kinda keeps me from thinking Tony was horribly OOC in CW. Yeah I think some things took it too far and overall story arc wasn't written well at all, but I can easily believe that Tony saw all of this - everyone dying at Stanford, the knowledge that people who are scared often react very badly and it was very likely the entire situation was gonna blow up, and knowing that the alternative was a LOT worse - and really tried to go
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I could see a situation where movieverse Tony learns about government plans concerning registration, and similar to 616 Tony decides to try and control/undermine it from the inside, because movieverse Tony seems to make decisions mostly based on instinct, and his morals re:weapons for example are completely vague and muddled, so he might think it a good idea, but then again I'm not sure movieverse Tony could pull off a lengthy deception - after all, this is the guy who never pretended to be his own bodyguard.
And one of the things that struck me about "Avengers" is that instead of taking away from the many, many characters it added something to nearly all of them - it made them better and cooler and funnier than they were on their own.
Yes, exactly. That's what always sells me on individual relationships - do the characters bring out something interesting and good in each other that wouldn't be there otherwise? - and here it happens with a whole ensemble!
Good to hear you enjoyed it. <3 The Hulk was definitely one of the best parts of the movie, though at the same time... I'm pretty sure I'm one of the very few people who have to face that moment when you suspect your mother secretly ships Bruce/Tony. This is both scarring in the fact that I have no one to relate this to, and predictable in the fact that really, my mother and I just never agree on somethings. She likes Superman, after all, which is a point I've learned to forgive her for eventually in my Batman ravings. I did really, really like the Bruce and Tony interactions though, especially since Tony kept pushing him to accept the Hulk as a potentially good thing. Tony makes a good team conscience. <3 I actually liked him proving Cap wrong.
"It struck me that if the movieverse ever did Civil War (the comics event in which superheroes, most notably Cap and Iron Man, fought each other over superhero registration), Steve's and Tony's roles would be reversed, if it could happen at all."Oh, please no... I have so many issues
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This is something that I've thought but had a hard time putting into words. I just cannot see Tony ever supporting any kind of government-mandated registration, not after what he's been through in relation to the government. Even if he didn't have a huge aversion to doing things because someone told him to, after them trying to take the suit from him in Iron Man 2 (and really his experience with them through his weapons building), I just would not be able to buy him siding with them on that issue at all, let alone becoming the poster boy for it. And with how his relationship with Bruce developed in the movie, how much he believed and trusted him to get control, I can't really buy him giving up and shooting him into space, either.
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and being told about Project Wide Awake as the alternative plan to registration (which would have used Sentinels to monitor superheroes)See and this is really what kinda keeps me from thinking Tony was horribly OOC in CW. Yeah I think some things took it too far and overall story arc wasn't written well at all, but I can easily believe that Tony saw all of this - everyone dying at Stanford, the knowledge that people who are scared often react very badly and it was very likely the entire situation was gonna blow up, and knowing that the alternative was a LOT worse - and really tried to go ( ... )
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Yes, exactly. That's what always sells me on individual relationships - do the characters bring out something interesting and good in each other that wouldn't be there otherwise? - and here it happens with a whole ensemble!
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Oh god, agreed.
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"It struck me that if the movieverse ever did Civil War (the comics event in which superheroes, most notably Cap and Iron Man, fought each other over superhero registration), Steve's and Tony's roles would be reversed, if it could happen at all."Oh, please no... I have so many issues ( ... )
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