[Video] *~Let's hope the old script gets a new twist~*

[im_in_ur_exit]

[He's found a place in the study for this; quiet, but public and neutral ground. He's back to more "normal", at least enough to be calm and controlled, without any signs of frayed nerves for this

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[sands_in_mexico]

[Sheldon listens to this carefully and sighs.]

I'm not much for making laws. I just uphold them the way it fits. You're right, there's no structure and without structure there's chaos. As much as I love seeing one guy beat up another, it's worse when there's nothing the other guy is being beaten up for. Then it's just senseless and lacks solidarity. Justice has been thrown around loosely when there wasn't any to begin with. And with death so fluid, it's pointless adding the death penalty so let's avoid that shall we.

Personally, I want to add that the drama of last week was completely unnecessary. The riots were justified. The murders made their mark. The people involved were disorganized. Simple right?

[im_in_ur_exit]

Justice is a philosophical construct of the ideal state of the purpose of laws. If it's treated as the end purpose in and of itself, it's too easily twisted to anyone's definition of the word

[sands_in_mexico]

[Lighting up a rolled up cigarette, he takes the time to think things through.]

I was saying that the term was used too lightly. The cop, what's his name, Tom, had the right idea but the wrong method thus proving that his efforts were in vain.

Whatever you come up with, I'll lend a hand but don't expect direct involvement. That's not my playground.

[im_in_ur_exit]

[He nods.] We'll have to achieve an agreement on it - and be ready to have a coherent response when something happens.

Thank you - too many people trying to manage would only make more chaos, anyway, and we'd be stupid not to respect letting those that want to help work where their skills and talents are best suited.

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[p3rfect_kill3r]

[Rules? Oh he had rules, but none that would be appreciated in this new society they were building.]

You reap what you sew. If you can't handle the consequences then it's your own fault. Fights should only be intervened with if they start outrightly being a danger to other residents, or if it's an unwarranted assault. If they're bickering amongst themselves? Take it outside.

Oppressing the nature of other world's politics and rules will only make it worse. If you do get hurt in their cross-fire when trying to intervene, it's their own damned fault and should grow a pair.

Shall I continue?

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[im_in_ur_exit]

I'm sure there'll be cases that'll cause a good bit of debate about what defines "unwarranted assault", and there'll be one Hell of a debate, but -

Personally, I'll definitely argue against prosecuting "defense of self or others", and this is too unstable and chaotic an environment for people not to take responsibility for their actions. However much argument there might be in individual cases, I'm not going to have this turn into something someone can use to hide behind so they can torment others, particularly not while we're still establishing what punishments we can enforce effectively when someone does clearly cross lines. I know I won't be the sole voice on this, but I'd like to focus on where we're needed before we worry about debating whether we should protect people from their own stupidity or try to protect the people who're taking care of themselves. If we can't prove we can do at least that much...

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[cantapollygize]

Both of these are good ideas. If you have an issue with someone and you get into a fight with them, as long as you keep people who have no problem with you out of it...

[Apollo runs a hand through his hair.] It gives people a chance to sort out their own problems, and if that doesn't work or someone does try to claim that they were unfairly assaulted when they were really baiting and tormenting someone into a fight...

Maybe for people who say they were assaulted and there's a claim that the other party was baited into it, send them to some neutral, trustworthy third party to mediate it and try to get to the bottom of it? [Apollo looks thoughtful.]

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[im_in_ur_exit]

[you are getting that predatory plotting smirk.]

My, where-ever are we going to find someone approachable with some skill or experience in mediation and attempting to sort through people's perspectives and actual motives, if there's a conflict of such a sort people aren't willing to resolve themselves?

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[agentmisora]

There's no way anyone can come up with a system that everyone can agree on, or even "respect," as you put it. Personally, I think it should be enough to try to accommodate the majority, in other words, those who actually care about peace. And the rest of them [whiners] can just suck it up.

But anyway, this is why I'm not a politician, so I won't claim to have any good advice for an area I've no experience with. I'll offer my services whenever it's necessary, so I suppose the only point relevant to me is the first one. As for the rest, well, I trust that there are others far more suitable than me in deciding what's best to do.

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[im_in_ur_exit]

I don't think there's any way we'll avoid having to settle for something the majority will respect. As long as we can limit the opposition to the actual malcontents, instead of making enemies of strong-willed people with legitimate complaints or who aren't going out looking for trouble unprovoked, that'll be the best we can do.

It's appreciated, as long as you say something if you have a real objection to what's being asked of you. We're going to have to have some kind of extra meeting anyway, for the people intent on being involved and the ones that we might need help from, to sort things out enough that we know what to expect from each other and where each of us would be needed in a crisis.

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[agentmisora]

Then please alert me whenever this meeting occurs.

But I need an explanation. No one's been very informative regarding this aspect. Just how did the previous justice system come down to the hands of one person? I can't imagine why the Author would be willing to cooperate with anyone at all.

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[im_in_ur_exit]

Definitely.

I got here when it was already in place and never did manage to get in contact with the one running it - just a few people involved. Honestly, this case is the first time I've been directly involved in the "law" here. From what I'd heard, there was some kind of a bargain made with the Author for part of it, which is how they were able to get around the problem of dealing with people starting trouble who had powers .... but then, as noted, there were cases of people judged innocent being punished anyway, and everything related to it disappeared just before B became active. A lot of the rest of what I've heard is from various residents who weren't directly a part of it....

It wasn't very popular.

Mello was more directly involved and would know more.

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[eliminatecrime]

Yes, we should only etablish main laws at the moment, which would would be the basic things. Killing, hurting people in general and stealing or such is not allowed. Basically everything that causes other people harm.
The desire to live peacefully is most likely something universal, the majority of the residents should see the necessity of these rules.

Also we should have quite a lot of people involved, so that the system won't disappear, if one person leaves. Then again these people have to be chosen carefully, because, as you already pointed out, they need to be respected by the residents and they should not abuse their powers.

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[im_in_ur_exit]

Indeed. From what I've seen, the greater majority of the people who'd been interpreted as "dangerous" or "criminal" were ... not inclined to start anything unless provoked, and perfectly content to leave be if treated with basic respect.

That I agree with - we need to be prepared for any one person involved to be gone tomorrow, just in case.

I don't think we'd get much argument on not letting someone who's out for power in... although we are stuck with a small amount of beggars being choosers; still, if those of us who honestly want to help are more organized and focused on where our skills are best suited, it should make things a great deal easier.