Buffy Thoughts (Public Post)

[author_by_night]

The sun and  the clouds are currently at war.

Sun: Whee! I'm out!

Clouds: Nope.

Sun: Bitch?

Clouds: Yeaah... I thought so.

And it's all very 2000s.  :P Meanwhile, my willingness to leave the house depends on the  sun staying out, although I actually have to leave to do some  shopping, so I don't have much choice. But I'd rather not leave in the rain,

Comments

[veganhothead]

I never considered Buffy with Gunn (did they ever cross paths?) but I like the idea. I wanted Angel with Spike.

True, neither Buffy or Angel were flawless but I think both have aged well. Especially compared to the first 90210 and stuff like that.

[author_by_night]

No, Buffy and Gunn never did cross paths.

I forgot to mention Angel and Spike. I don't majorly ship them, but it's there.

[rogueslayer452]

However, the problem is that Xander fails to take ownership of his actions.

Yep, this is one of the biggest issues with his character throughout the entire show, tbh. He never took accountability for his actions (including when he cheated on Cordelia and when he dumped Anya at the alter, then afterward treating them like crap for living their lives after what he did to them) nor did he ever truly apologize and grow from them. In fact, out of all the characters, Xander was the only one that I can think of that didn't have any true character development. He remained mostly the same throughout the entirety of the series. Also, it's kinda gross that he seemed to have a thing for almost all the women he was surrounded with. Though when you consider how Xander pretty much was the personification of Joss himself, it all makes sense that he would have the character written this way.

I would say that it's... very feminist for the 90's/early 2000's.I agree. It would say it was a bit ahead of its time when it premiered, and some of the

[author_by_night]

I think if anything, Xander regressed. He was kind of doofy but okay, and slowly got dumber and dumber.

. Though when you consider how Xander pretty much was the personification of Joss himself, it all makes sense that he would have the character written this way.Yeah, exactly. Maybe even right down to Xander not even being all that believably "uncool", since in all honesty, I fail to see how Xander's this huge nerd when he really acts like half the guys I knew in high school. Of course, I've mostly rewatched the third season and a few episodes before, so maybe there's things I'm missing. But I know I've seen that pointed out elsewhere, that Xander was really just... you know, a guy. But if he's supposed to be a slightly cooler teenage Joss Whedon, it makes sense. However, it also makes some of the things Xander gets away with even ickier when you know Joss was doing icky things the whole time

[frelling_tralk]

Maybe even right down to Xander not even being all that believably "uncool", since in all honesty, I fail to see how Xander's this huge nerd when he really acts like half the guys I knew in high school. I never quite got that either, it seemed like they started making the effort to write him as more of a geek once Jonathan, Andrew, and Warren showed up, so then you suddenly got him understanding their references and being embarrassed at how much he could relate to Andrew, but back in seasons 1-3 they never gave him any lines I don’t think to indicate that he was heavily into comic books? He would mostly just make very widely known pop culture references like ‘spider sense’ in the general way that Buffy would, but there was a marked difference in how the trio were portrayed in comparison during season 6, and really it was only as he got older that the show seemed to decide that Xander was also someone with really geeky interests

Oops, hit send too fast there!

[frelling_tralk]

For me Buffy still holds up as a feminist show, but yeah I think that it hasn’t aged all that well for today’s audience, I see so much more nitpicking and dismissals of it these days. Probably most of them are fair, but they’re also forgetting that Buffy did air in a very different time.... It has its issues, but I still think it gave us a great role model with Buffy

[hindustar]

I wanted Buffy with Principal Robin Wood. I thought they had some great chemistry in their scenes. Or maybe she could have kept a relationship with Riley Finn. I liked him when I know other's didn't. I didn't want her with Spike or Angel.

I prefered Angel when it was more a detective agency and doing the monster of the episode format. Then it kind of went off the rails. I loved Cordelia on Angel and I hate the way her character was treated.