Comments | asta77: Thoughts About the Latest Fandom Kerffufle

asta77

Thoughts About the Latest Fandom Kerffufle

Oct 24, 2009 22:35

Since The Plan leaked last weekend, fandom has had kerfuffle #153. Normally I avoid the drama, but a couple of aspects of this kerfuffle bothered me. Some of the criticism of the film came from people who hadn't seen The Plan yet, a pet peeve of mine. And after reading several angry comments I was left wondering - my apologies for paraphrasing ( Read more... )

bsg, the plan

Comments 42

greycoupon October 25 2009, 03:29:18 UTC

Apparently The Plan somehow proves Ron hates Jamie.

Yeah man. No, I don't know why us being happy put some other people in meltdown. I know reading my flist just ended up hurting.

As always I value your great commentary on everything.

asta77 October 25 2009, 04:02:11 UTC

I think Ron hates Mary. She's not even in it! ;) I won't even get involved in the Ron hates (insert name here) discussions. If he hated them, they would have been killed off/fired. Ron's statements about not knowing how to write the character of Lee are ridiculous to me, but I never saw it as a sign of hate, just his failure as a writer.

Don't let other people get you down. I saw plenty of posts after the finale stating Lee had a horrible, miserable ending and it's sooooo not true. :)

dementedsiren October 25 2009, 11:51:27 UTC

She's not even in it!

I think her leg was in it (When Torie was coming down the ladder befor the Cavils were airlocked)?

that doesn't really help, does it...

asta77 October 25 2009, 16:18:16 UTC

Well, it was her leg and then it was a body doubles leg when they tacked on the Cavils walk of shame. :p I am assuming there were monetary/contractual issues which account for Mary's absence, but her absence was very noticeable. Hopefully, when she does another con appearance someone will ask her about it.

Thread 5

frolicndetour October 25 2009, 03:33:16 UTC

Hear, hear. I said this in I think queenofthorn's journal before the kerfluffle really kicked into high gear, but the whole thing was really about Cavil trying to figure out what made his parents tick, and understanding that they would never stop loving humanity even if he wiped it out. Obviously, if you ship the pairing then having their reunion be this pivotal moment for Cavil w.r.t. "love outlasts death" is going to make you happy. Quite happy. ;) But if you don't ship the pairing then it's just... neutral, because it's really about Sam's capacity for love, which is something we all already knew from watching the show.

But yeah, that was not one of the 'fun' kerfluffles, for me anyway. Bleh. It caught me off guard, because I kind of thought the shipping wank was... okay, not over, but. Because the story is over, and we know how it turned out, so it's not a zero-sum game anymore? And, to steal nicole_anell's hilarious image, unless they had shot 20 minutes of new footage of Kara and Sam skipping through a field together while Lee cried, nothing that ( ... )

nicole_anell October 25 2009, 04:07:14 UTC

(Heee, thank you for using my image.)

And yes, this came SO out of left field for me! I knew people were still bitter, but I just kind of... assumed it would be more diluted at this point. I honestly thought the negative reaction to The Plan would be more "lol, whatever" than "THIS ONE SCENE MADE ME JUST AS ANGRY AS THE FINALE DID."

asta77 October 25 2009, 04:35:12 UTC

That is an AWESOME image. And Sonja can come along to console him. ;)

I think we all need an icon that states, "Never underestimate the bitter. It's epic."

beccatoria October 25 2009, 09:59:12 UTC

I TOTALLY NEED THAT ICON! Except mine can have a picture of Liam! :p

FLIPPER! NEVER FORGET!

Thread 14

nicole_anell October 25 2009, 03:55:34 UTC

and Lee climbed that mountain with Sonja to start populating the world with beautiful hybrid babies.
I WANT TO GO TO THERE. *wibble*

Good post, I like hearing your perspective as somebody not really affected by either ship. :)

I'll apologize to them if I'm wrong about this but -- I don't think any Kara/Sam shippers seriously thought this movie alone made them ~EPIC~ or reinforced their beautiful destiny love. We ("we" meaning "my K/S friends who I'm totally co-opting" because this all happened before I personally watched the movie) were just being frelling happy. Enjoying Sam, enjoying the recycled footage, enjoying the "she's beneath him" joke, enjoying the moment where Cavil doesn't shoot them. Like shippers do. The Sixes and Leoben were awesome too, which made some of us even more giddy than usual ( ... )

asta77 October 25 2009, 04:29:13 UTC

Honestly, if they had included any scrap of footage of Lee and Laura I would have been giddy. So I totally understand where the Kara/Sam shippers are coming from. They're just happy to see their couple on screen and perhaps pleasantly surprised to get so much of their OTP on screen. I know I was thrilled to see so much of the Sixes since I was under the impression Tricia was busy with other projects and wouldn't be that available for filming.

I wonder if the situation were reversed and we had Galactica Cavil witnessing Lee's love for Kara, what would the reaction be? Eh, there would probably still be anger at what Ron failed to do in Season 4, but at least the Kara/Sam shippers would be spared. ;)

The whole fight over who owns the word "epic"? OH, fandom.

Heh. Have the Adama/Roslin people even chimed in yet?

I submit that Baltar and Six beat them by 148,000 years. If you're gonna nitpick over who's the most epic.

Ok, don't get me thinking about the time line. I WILL get a headache then. :p

wisteria_ October 25 2009, 07:51:36 UTC

I'll start off by saying I haven't watched The Plan, though that has nothing to do with 'ships or whatever. Even back when it was first announced, I didn't, er, plan to watch it. It's just not a storyline I'm interested in, particularly since my fannishness has been waning for a long time, to the point that now most of my old love for the show has shifted into nostalgia and ambivalence. (Though, okay, I'll admit that I might've tuned in if the whole thing were chock full of K/L shippiness!) For the same reason, I've skipped most of the meta, but I've got a fairly good idea what's been going on ( ... )

asta77 October 25 2009, 16:51:14 UTC

I think the reactions to the Kara/Sam in "The Plan" (however OTP/fate/whatever we perceive it to be) aren't so much about the pairing itself as a side effect of the anger about the finale. Whether or not K/L is your (the universal "your") preferred 'ship, I think it's fair to say that we had a reasonable expectation that their romantic relationship would be a stronger presence in the finale, instead of basically dismissed as a table-frak gone awry.

I do understand why many K/L shippers had expectations about what would happen between the two in the finale and the resulting frustration and anger because what they expected to happen, on some level, never came to pass. I've never felt burned by a writer before. Maybe my OTPs didn't turn out as I had hoped, but I never felt rage either. Perhaps I prepared myself by expecting the worst. I guess my disconnect on the issue is the anger from Season 4 and the finale carrying over to The Plan where Lee and Kara, separately and together, are a non-issue. Then again, because I'm not angry at ( ... )

greycoupon October 25 2009, 18:29:43 UTC

There was no new footage. There were a few extended takes like the extended rescue scene you mentioned and the loud This moaning for the sex scene. That's it.

This is why you can't review something you haven't seen. That's the most boggling part of all of this. I have never seen so many hysterical people over something they haven't watched when it is readily available.

beccatoria October 25 2009, 10:29:44 UTC

Blargh. I guess I can see that some K/L shippers might feel it reopened old wounds even though there is absolutely no new footage at all just because the last piece of the show now DOES have a K/S presence because Sam's a major character and doesn't have a K/L presence because neither Kara nor Lee were major characters. And, you know, having gone off the deep end about narrative choices and stuff and what they mean for my bizarre little interpretation of the show is, sure, stuff can piss you off a surprising amount a long time after the fact.

Basically I want to own that had this movie managed to spend a lot of time on trying to paint the A/R relationship in the emotional context of 4.5, or tried to retroactively make Tory evil or had Simon go on a massive medical diatribe about how Hera is the only hybrid there will ever be, I might have been pissed too.

That said, I would like to hope I would:

a) not watch it if I knew it was going to be parts of the show I'd hate, and more importantly -

b) if what it actually amounted ( ... )

asta77 October 25 2009, 17:08:26 UTC

And, you know, having gone off the deep end about narrative choices and stuff and what they mean for my bizarre little interpretation of the show is, sure, stuff can piss you off a surprising amount a long time after the fact.

::cough:: Liam ::cough:: ;-)

Basically I want to own that had this movie managed to spend a lot of time on trying to paint the A/R relationship in the emotional context of 4.5, or tried to retroactively Tory evil or had Simon go on a massive medical diatribe about how Hera is the only hybrid there will ever be, I might have been pissed too.

Oh, hell, I might have been pissed too! But all of that would have involved shooting new scenes. And if they had the opportunity to bring Katee back and film new footage of Kara and Sam together discussing their relationship and how much they loved each other the, yes, I could get the outrage. But the Sam and Kara clips were old and only used to set up other plot points. For instance, if they didn't include Kara rescuing Sam and the others we would have had a moment of ( ... )