Back on my soapbox, and a chant from the Stonewall days

[idiotgrrl]

Earlier this morning I posted a rant as a comment to someone else's post. The rant was about the intolerance of the normal population being responsible for a lot of our problems, and I made a muddled reference to the plight of the Native Americans. Thinking it over while cooking breakfast, I realize our case and the solution of it is not parallel

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Oh dear.

[kenidee]

(Disclaimer) I shall begin by saying that in a few years, perhaps, my opinion as follows would possibly change. I am in the midst of a very yucky divorce from a man with AS, which I honestly believe has impacted upon my perceptions of people in general

Kenidee - this isn't the way it always goes?

[idiotgrrl]

You mean the squabbling over definitions, the confusion of "parallel with" and "identical with", the two-person back-and-forthing over a single point, and so on, are NOT the way discussions usually go? The ones that take off, I mean, rather than the ones that fizzle.

Yes, I am indeed serious about that question. Where are you finding discussions that don't follow that pattern and may I sit in on them? Because while I didn't expect quite the cat-among-the-pigeons effect the original posting got, once it became clear that's what it was, it followed the same pattern as the ones on my historical-tending-towards-political forum and many others.

The Grey Badger, who would appreciate a little more gentility and a little less logic-chopping but who never expected an internet discussion to be a tea party.

Re: Kenidee - this isn't the way it always goes?

[kenidee]

Actually no, I don't think discussions usually do go that way, especially not when the two partaking in the discussion actually agree with each other. What is the point of discussing what is being discussed? It is this attention to semantics that drives AS people away from the point of the discussion, leading them to misinterpret the converstaion and miss the point

Re: Kenidee - this isn't the way it always goes?

[idiotgrrl]

re being called a lemon - Suzette Haden Elgin keeps making the point that it's not the words, it's the tune you set them to. You could sing the Hallelujah Chorus to the old familiar playground tune of "Johnny is A wee-nee" and it would be an insult. You could someone a rave review, but if you said it in the "I see London, I see France...." chant they would assume they were meant to be embarrassed. Their guts would sure react that way.

Pat, who has tried to study How Humans Think & Behave for something like 70 years.

Re: Kenidee - this isn't the way it always goes?

[teamnoir]

I like Suzette Haden Elgin. She's also tangentially related to the NLP folks whom I like a lot as well.

[teamnoir]

I concur.

I think there are also analogs in self identification vs diagnosis and to the entire "coming out" process. I've been writing about these things around these parts for a few years now.

I do think there are also analogs to race and to gender as well.

[pet_lunatic]

I agree that it's a comparable situation. To the extent that some high-functioning spectrum people are accused of 'choosing to be awkward' rather than expressing a phenotype, just as some homophobics claim that gay people deliberately choose a 'deviant' lifestyle rather than trying to 'fit in'.

As an aside, I found 'coming out' as AS harder overall than 'coming out' as non-heterosexual! The former worried my parents, who thought they should've noticed it sooner.

woo.

[jaseis]

Here here. I like it :)