Comments | ash48: Robbie's departure and more on 11.20

ash48

Robbie's departure and more on 11.20

May 07, 2016 18:33

I was actually sad to hear that Robbie Thompson is leaving the show. Even though I have major issues with the last episode he wrote (which actually make some sense now in light of the news) I have always enjoyed his episodes. I thought he brought some interesting ideas and characters into the Supernatural universe. He gave us some wonderful ( Read more... )

s11 reaction, s11 musing, meta-ish

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kalliel May 7 2016, 11:57:32 UTC

Everything you've said here is everything still making me annoyed with the episode and/or annoyed with how much I did not enjoy that episode/the chasmic cognitive dissonance between how much I did not enjoy that episode and how much we were all "supposed" to enjoy all of those little things. Nothing to add except thanks for articulating all of this here!

ash48 May 8 2016, 01:08:52 UTC

Oh thank you. I just had to try and make sense of it a bit. I felt kinda used afterwards. And now I think I'm disappointed that it didn't work for me the way it was intended.

Oh well, with distance I will accept it more and I still hold out hope that they are going somewhere interesting with it all. :)

jennytork May 7 2016, 12:52:36 UTC

I agree with you on one point and disagree with you on another (and I am so thankful that you are very cool with disagreement!).

I agree on you about Chuck, and disagree about the amulet - though I suspect on my part it's more squeeing that it's back than anything! LOL!!! Dean's looked a little naked without it. I kept yelling at the TV for him to put it on LOL!!

But about Chuck, we're in complete agreement. I dislike the theology going on in the show, but I am able to view it as an AU to reality, so that helps me.

And a side note? I just want to give you massive kudos for not being one of those annoying 'disagreement = hate' people. I love you so much for that!

ash48 May 8 2016, 01:16:29 UTC

(and I am so thankful that you are very cool with disagreement!

It's what makes the discussion so interesting. I equally like that I can rant about things I dislike about the show and people are still happy to talk with me!

Re the amulet. Once the shock of it has sunk it I am very likely to be more accepting of it. I suppose I was never one who missed it. I had my own little head canon that Sam picked it up and quietly kept it and I was happy for it to stay that way. And in fact, that's actually now canon (if we can accept Jared and Jensen's belief that Sam had it all this time).

And thank you! It's comments like those that make me feel safe to express true feelings on my journal. :)

killabeez May 7 2016, 17:19:54 UTC

It's funny, but I disliked that episode so completely and wholeheartedly that my next day takeaway amounts to, "I'm not leaving you, ever," and therefore I am satisfied.

ash48 May 8 2016, 01:17:21 UTC

Yes! *heart eyes* There were some lovely moments - including that line and lots of face touching! (I hate that I haven't wallowed in those nearly enough!) Time to seek out all the gifs. :)

(haha, edit because I originally read that as YOU'RE not leaving ever! )

killabeez May 8 2016, 08:00:18 UTC

Well, if I haven't left already, the odds seem slim. :D

I watched just "I'm not leaving you, ever!" again yesterday (just that 10 seconds or so) and was struck by the total OOC-ness of Dean yelling at God to stop fucking around. Uh. Why would he not yell at Amara? That came out of absolute nowhere, as far as I was concerned. Add it to the list, I guess.

ash48 May 8 2016, 12:53:55 UTC

I thought he was yelling it at Amara. That was my first take on it and I'm pretty sure that was Dean/Jensen's. Up to this point Dean still doesn't believe in God (though I think he had an ep where he prayed so...*shrugs* who knows).

It was suggested to me in the other thread that God heard him and that's why he reacted (with the amulet and coming and healing them). When trying to make any sense of the amulet that can work in a fanon sense. I still can't wok out why the amulet came in to play at all - other than a) Robbie wanted to return it to fandom and b) it's going to be used in the finale.

I just don't know. So little of it made sense - but it may become clearer over the next few eps (probably not the next one - it's a Duo ep and likely to smash even more canon. Beren's after that and he might have a better take on it all. I am hoping at least).

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sandymg May 8 2016, 01:25:19 UTC

Mileage varies on all fictional show. I think the key is that the character of god, as portrayed in the Supernatural universe (which, of course, isn't our universe -- since we don't have demons, vampires, etc.) isn't good. And I find that exceptionally interesting. If god was all-good and whatnot I'd personally find that dull. And Chuck said it himself, this god is Being and his sister, Amara is Nothingness. I think this parallels interestingly with our universe's matter and dark matter. Almost like a supernatural version of what's natural in ours. Amara is a dark hole somehow brought to consciousness ( ... )

ash48 May 8 2016, 01:47:19 UTC

Hi.

Thank you. I can see that and I was sure there must have been some parallels somewhere in all of that (I probably had trouble seeing them past my anger at the time). Though I have always thought of the massive battle between heaven and hell and good and evil, is mirrored in Sam and Dean's day to day battles.

Chuck, with his capriciousness, is not something to worship.

Yes. Most definitely. I just worry that they aren't playing it like that? Or well, rather it's not being seen like that. Having Rob play God means we've got to get past, well, Rob playing God. I must admit there were a couple of moments when Rob had a very dark (almost terrifying) face and I could see that maybe they were going of that. That we're not suppose to like him. Or maybe it's just not as simple as that in terms of thinking of goodness and badness. I think Amara supposed to be seen as neither good or evil. At times that's been played extremely well (particularly when she was a child), but it's crossed over to more "evil" lately. And as long as ( ... )

cuddyclothes May 8 2016, 02:45:26 UTC

Even though I adored the scenes between Chuck and Metatron, it does upset me that God/Chuck shows up ( ... )

ash48 May 8 2016, 03:15:32 UTC

Even though I adored the scenes between Chuck and Metatron, it does upset me that God/Chuck shows up.

I was actually appreciating the acting. I particularly thought Curtis did a stand up job. I think as soon as God was confirmed I started to switch off and, yeah, that didn't help me enjoy those scenes as much as I probably should have done (and I was having a hard time buying Metatron being an advocate for humankind after his previous actions Liking him was just too hard).

Let me say first that people saying "thank Chuck" has always annoyed the living shit out of me.

Oh gosh me too.

The idea of an absent, uncaring God has always appealed to me tremendously.I, too, have enjoyed that aspect of the show. It's such a huge move in all of the story telling (both past and now present) to give God a human form. I know many are saying that Chuck was revealed as God in 5.22 but I've always struggled with that interpretation - it was just so hard to believe and even with him revealed, it's still hard to believe (even knowing this is ( ... )