Comments | ash48: 11.19 episode reaction/review

ash48

11.19 episode reaction/review

Apr 29, 2016 21:19

This got a little long. I felt like I could write about this one forever *g*. Such a beautifully layered episode.

( The Hunting Life - an exploration of loss, love and happy endings. )

s11 reaction, s11 musings

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sam_dean_lover April 29 2016, 13:57:15 UTC

hi Ash, im glad you enjoyed; for me, problems in this episode; it was boring, (i never say that about an episode!) :(

1.editing issues,the camera following Dean. Sam disappearing (long conversation with guest star) while

2.Dean got all the action scenes

3. um..well...uh...no...just no 4 weeks on break and this is what we have?

ash48 April 29 2016, 14:05:01 UTC

Oh wow. I'm sorry to hear you felt that way. It was such an amazing Sam and Dean episode (with a major focus on Sam I have to say) that I'm surprised to hear you didn't enjoy it.

The nuanced layers were beautifully crafted and Sam not having the action scenes were crucial to him connecting with Jesse and his story. As you can see, I totally loved it. Another top one from this fab season...;D

just no 4 weeks on break and this is what we have?

If you mean amazing story telling then yes!! (Hee, I know you don't but I'm pretty happy to have loved it as much as I did. *g*) Nancy Won is quickly becoming one of my fave writers.

caranfindel April 29 2016, 13:58:24 UTC

Yes, all of this. All the love.

Sam seeing his own story unfold in Jesse - looking at your brother as "other" - Matty with green eyes, Dean with black ones

Ah! Great catch. I completely missed that parallel.

ash48 April 29 2016, 14:06:47 UTC

I only picked that up on the second viewing. There was a deliberate shot to Sam and if felt significant. Or maybe it was just the way Jared was playing it. Either way, I think there were some great parallels in this one.

vyperdd April 29 2016, 14:24:43 UTC

Was so great watching the ep with you tonight and discussing so many of the points you detail here. Have such a better understanding and love for this ep after our discussions.

Sam reminiscing about how he felt as a child - fearing the loss of his dad and brother (even with the mistake of vampires), was poignant and maybe (just maybe?) harked back to the way he actually did feel completely lost when he though Dean had died at the beginning of S8. Sam feeling utterly lost and not knowing how to respond works for me.

OMG, of course!!!! This makes so much sense. Love that we are FINALLY getting some insight into Sam's possible state of mind after end of Season 7/ early S8. Even if it wasn't intentional on Nancy Won's part, I'm taking it as a win for always much needed Sam POV even if it is 3 1/2 seasons too late!!!

ash48 April 29 2016, 15:26:13 UTC

Was so great watching the ep with you tonight and discussing so many of the points you detail here

It was great to watch together! And thanks for listening to me waffle on about this episode...

That second viewing made me see so many more thing connections. I was curious why Sam mentioned being lost and when we look back at the times he loses Dean - he's exactly that. Lost. I wish S8 had explored that more at the time, but little things like this can help be understand (and accept it) more. I'm sure Nancy Won wasn't thinking about S8 when she wrote that, but she was writing Sam in character so that counts for something. :)

dancing_adrift April 29 2016, 14:34:23 UTC

Yessss, knew you'd nail it. Excellent review, dear! Spot on - loved it!

ash48 April 29 2016, 15:26:23 UTC

Thanks hun! :)

amberdreams April 29 2016, 14:50:30 UTC

I'm so glad they gave this episode to Nancy Won - certain other writers would have made a right fist of it but with Nancy it was in safe hands. I really liked it, and I think I will like it more on a second view because of the reasons you mention - it was subtle, understated (mostly) and relatively quiet. What I found very unsubtle was that whole losing the person you love most theme which they seem to be bashing us over the head with the last few episodes. It really does feel they are foreshadowing something like crazy that we are supposed to be picking up on. And I find that a little annoying.
Apart from that though, I liked it a lot.

This season!!! ♥ all over the place!

Oh and Sheriff thingy! I was racking my brains for why she was so familiar and hey! she was in Dark Angel as Joshua's love interest, the blind girl - and I loved her in that.

ash48 April 29 2016, 15:35:31 UTC

What I found very unsubtle was that whole losing the person you love most theme which they seem to be bashing us over the head with the last few episodes. It really does feel they are foreshadowing something like crazy that we are supposed to be picking up on.Yes. It's weird because this show is pretty much always about that. They just seem to be making more of an issue of it this season. I also fear it's foreshadowing something but in all honesty if they kill one of them off AGAIN at the end of the season it just won't resonate - mostly because it can never be "real". Now, they might subvert it - have us think that's where they are going but turn it about somehow, but I'm never confident that they are that forwarding thinking ( ... )

percysowner April 29 2016, 18:50:10 UTC

A while ago I thought they might be leading up to Dean being so tied to Amara that he would kill Sam to save her, which is about the only way either of the boys dying would have any impact. Since they are going to come back anyway having the "death" have emotional resonance that affects the relationship is about the only way I see to have it count. Now, I'm pretty sure they aren't going to go that way because there simply hasn't been enough build up to either brother having to kill the other. So I'm with you on the both Sam and Dean live train. If they have to kill either brother I'm rooting for it to be Sam because 1) It's his turn up at bat and 2) If Dean dies it's a no win situation for Sam. If he tries to get Dean back he will risk undoing whatever Dean died for. If he doesn't try to get Dean back it will be a repeat of season 8. If he tries to keep hunting it will be a repeat of him spiraling out of control like in season 4 ( ... )

ash48 April 30 2016, 02:06:35 UTC

Dean being so tied to Amara that he would kill Sam to save her,

I actually thought that's where they might be heading last season. I though Dean might have to kill Sam in order to save him. Somehow. They often toy with the idea of one killing the other but it never comes to that ( ... )

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