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Apr 24, 2014 09:08

A great review of last night's episode. Supernatural: Mothers and Daughters

It starts like this:

Did the planet just backflip off its axis? Are pigs doing cartwheels across the sky? Did Michael Jackson moonwalk out of his grave and buy a ticket to Shrek 5? Because something impossible just happened: Supernatural based a whole episode around ( Read more... )

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ex1led_nyer April 24 2014, 01:52:43 UTC

I wonder about the fans' anti-female rep, too. I came to the show late and to fandom later, and I never had an issue with any of the recurring female characters (except for one, whose name begins with an A and rhymes with Amelia). It was explained to me that some fans felt women got between the boys, but it never bothered me -- of course no one could get between them for long.

ash48 April 24 2014, 11:54:05 UTC

Early on there was often an uproar if a female was seen to come between the boys. When they announced Ellen and Jo they mentioned that Jo was to be a love interest for Dean and wow - fandom went ballistic. Jo ended up being a really interesting character but they introduced her in a way that had fandom up in arms. The same with Ruby and Bela. TPTB said women were "needed" in the show and Ruby and Bela were introduced. There was a lot of fuss about that also.

(and yeah...man, such a shame they didn't stop and think about Amelia. She could have been SO SO interesting...but alas).

katwoman76 April 24 2014, 05:59:28 UTC

I'm afraid that TPTB still believe that the fans hate all female characters who have a potential to get between the boys / are possible love interests.
That's why it's "ok" to like Jodi or Charlie because they arenot a threat in the area. While in reality we like them because of the way they are written and couldn't care less if they would also hook up with thr boys. But I doubt they will ever understand that. Hell, the only reason why I don't ship Jodi/Sam is because it would mean TPTB would kill her for sure.

ash48 April 24 2014, 12:03:14 UTC

I'm afraid that TPTB still believe that the fans hate all female characters who have a potential to get between the boys / are possible love interests.

Oh do they? I am aware that they've made certain choices when writing Charlie and Jody - so they are not seen to be either love interests or "potential" ones, which actually might be why they've taken time to develop them. I like that women can be on the show who aren't love interests (very much so actually) but it's puzzled me why the ones who are haven't been as well developed (other than Ruby) or as interesting (well, to me).

Hell, the only reason why I don't ship Jodi/Sam is because it would mean TPTB would kill her for sure.

Good call. Guh, if they kill Jody Show and I are going to have some serious words.

hugemind April 24 2014, 07:08:24 UTC

I think last week "Agents of Shield" aired in the same timeslot as Show; usually AoS airs an hour earlier so it doesn't clash with Show, and the drop in Show's rating was so sudden that I'd just chalk it up to AoS ( ... )

ash48 April 24 2014, 12:15:35 UTC

usually AoS airs an hour earlier so it doesn't clash with Show, and the drop in Show's rating was so sudden that I'd just chalk it up to AoS.Ah, that could explain it. It did seem like a drastic drop. I wondered if it was because it opened with Metatron addressing the viewers - that might have unnerved a few. But AoS would explain it (I assume it's doing well in the US ( ... )

citrusjava April 24 2014, 20:16:27 UTC

Thanks for posting ( ... )

ash48 April 25 2014, 06:36:03 UTC

I think the show has really struggled in the past to work out how to write women into this world without them either being a damsel in distress, a villain or a love interest. All those "types" of characters can be interesting but because they are usually there to enhance Sam and Dean's story they are often not fleshed out very much. They started to do it with Ellen and Jo and gave Ruby a bit of meat before all of them were killed off. I prefer it when they are characters like Jody -who are allowed to be women (not just a kick ass stereotype) and given layered characteristics that celebrate that. Maybe they'll start to see that fans can most definitely enjoy females on the show (I think Becky set them back quite a bit).

citrusjava April 26 2014, 21:36:22 UTC

Until season 8, my strong opinion was that they simply don't know how to write female characters, and that it was just bad for everyone and needed not to happen. But I do love a lot of the women on the show since - Meg (she is probably my favorite, but only as written by Robby), Linda, Charlie, some of the others. But seriously, until they give me a woman as fleshed out as Dean or Sam, I'm not gonna be satisfied. And since they don't even write Dean and Sam as fleshed out as Dean and Sam anymore... well, that is not going to happen - maybe unless there is a different show runner, IMO.

Then again, I also said Dean was never gonna have a heart to heart with a women he didn't intend to sleep with or at all, and then he did ( ... )

davincis_girl April 24 2014, 21:43:12 UTC

"Looking back I think this was more to do with the women that were written (and how they were introduced) and not just a general dislike of seeing females on the show."

I think I agree with you here. Thinking back the only female characters I have connected to are Ellen and Charlie, I guess because they are strong and confident without being there as eye candy/ love interests. I'm not interested in flat one-dimensional eye candy regardless of gender.

ash48 April 25 2014, 06:40:42 UTC

*nods* Ellen and Jody are the two I have connected with - I think because they are mothers and their kick-assery has been borne out of necessity and not just because it makes them look strong. I've really enjoyed Charlie too - and I love that they have given her a backstory and been allowed to develop each time she's appeared.