Dollhouse 2.12
http://www.hulu.com/watch/118521/dollhouse-the-hollow-men
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PREVIOUS EPISODE
THE LAST EPISODE EVER?
SPOILER, SPOILER, SPOILLLARRRR!
DO NOT READ UNLESS YOU HAVE WATCHED THE TITLED EPISODE
Man that was so sad.
We all loved Boyd? and he's a demented screwed up sociopath?!?
I still can't understand that.
I sort of believe it, but it's hard to put it together.
Maybe if things hadn't been rushed it would have worked better.
(¿typical Whedon story? … even with Buffy a little bit despite not getting surprise-cancelled)
Not sure Eliza Dushku is the star of Dollhouse, so much as Harry Lennix.
He's one of the main reasons I do sort of believe it.
I don't understand Team ECHO's need to kill, seems a bit much.
SYNOPSIS:
Viewer discretion is advised.
Back to the beginning.
Boyd starts his Rossum Conference Call {smirk} …
This is funny, 'til he gets to the point.
ECHO is a genetic mutation? This is reasonable?
So it's cause Rossum wants her body, not α:ALPHA {smirk}
This is confusing.
Did ECHO get nabbed with her boyfriend Leo or here?
or was the Leo thing implanted to cover this up? {confusion},
or was Leo in on this one?
Only the Leo thing was in L.A.?
… and we're taking the most valuable biological asset and we're going to put it out there as a Doll which can be killed?!?
But I supposed if you buy Boyd as a deranged sociopath? which I sort of do -- that makes everything possible.
Back to present day with Pryia and Anthony, return to a messed up Dollhouse.
Paul crunches the phones, reminds me of E1.
Mellie knows she's a program.
Boyd & Co show up,
Boyd: "It's us."
as if that makes it okay now.
ECHO "It's burning. It hurts take it out"
So she's seen this episode?
Boyd has a speech?!? about how we must persevere? This is very twisted.
Rossum stole the drives? Except the Topher drive.
This is remedied by Epitaph One (E1).
Tech aversion? Epitaph again?
Pryia puts Anthony in the chair.
VICTOR/Topher!
When is this imprint from? The last time?
Topher': "Am I Dead?"
Clyde Randolph is WHISKEY?
Boyd's still playing dumb.
Topher-Cam.
Was Boyd aware of the Topher-Cam?
Caroline is the savior?
Boyd breaks everyone out.
I'm reminded of the time when Book was shot: "My ident card."
VICTOR/Topher is insanely good.
and Harry Lennix is amazing as previously stated, and reaffirmed by VICTOR/Topher.
VICTOR/Topher will enhance Anthony.
Use the tech for good.
Topher confides in Boyd about ECHO being drugged, left Topher2.0 for VICTOR and SIERRA
Topher: "Go Team!" "Bros before others who aren't bros."
Anothony does a "Load me up tank" -- and he apparently knows Kung-Fu.
Is this because he's a Doll? Why haven't we used this before now?
Why aren't all the handlers augmented? Lab techs?
Entrapment part deux. We need to fix the wiper to get out.
Boyd knew it wouldn't work(?) If not kind of wrong?
Why would you wipe Topher? or is Boyd counting on his back up?
It's kind of like messing with the goose who lays the golden eggs.
I suppose this goes back to the, When you wipe someone are they gone? idea?
I guess we've already been given the α:ALPHA answer, NO.
Paul and Mellie get weapons from the weapons cache.
This is kind of strange for a corporation.
NOVEMBER: "Why am I here Paul?"
Good question (save plot obligations)
Also why is she still armed as a sleeper?
Why isn't the Caroline integration a bigger deal? I suppose time constraints.
Maybe she's been Caroline (only better all along).
Boyd: "I'm glad I choose you."
So much for not being able to harm your handler.
Boyd: "You're here 'cause you're my family. I love you guys." -- ENTER psycho/sociopath-Boyd.
This is SO twistedly funny/perverse.
I've often been annoyed with the Whedonesque romance of assembling your own 'Family'.
Seems a little weird and twisted on some levels.
Glad it was finally give that kind of turn.
Mainframe generates a lot of heat?
Mainframe is distributed around the world?
Will you burn up peoples' brains up? Here worldwide?
Boyd has been messing with people? Programming them via influence? This is weird and twisted.
Then he talks about the technology, and how it can't be uninvented.
Couldn't he have stopped things at some point? At the very least after he reprogrammed Clyde? Then it's just him. Seems bizarre and twisted to be frightened of your own creation, then again …
At the same time he has a point. At this point in the story, maybe controlling the tech would be better than trying to eradicate it?
Up to point of:
"Do you want to be the Destroyed? or the Destroyers?"
The wipe or be wiped idea.
Though that sounds like it's good to have preemptive war, as someone is always trying to take advantage, it's kind of sick and paranoid.
How about attempting to counteract all the above?
They can't replicate her spinal fluid?
Bring the secondary cooling system online, so it didn't work.
We go back to the old Hitchcock idea, something to the effect of
"If there's a gun on screen. At some point in the film it will go off."
Thus Mellie "There are three flowers… "
My first thought was apparently imprints can be overcome via reminding people of their feelings, but this is a special case as she's still Mellie, just psycho Mellie?!?
I saw this coming a few seconds before, as I imagine many did. We know Paul will be some state of okay, and there's the looming
E1 mention of "Remember what happened to November." and the "which one?" to allow room for interpretation.
Madeline Costly disappeared back when the D.C. house took her.
DeWitt is still to blame for giving over the plan in my opinion?
Claire can't overcome the programming aside of not being real.
Paul is out of the loop. ¿DeWitt is the red herring? Maybe in the sense of the entire show?
ECHO did shoot Paul in the leg/knee? which apparently he recovers from quickly.
This is bizarre.
Topher wipes Boyd.
Wipe means 'gone'? or yet to be retrieved?
We wire Boyd up and tell him to blow the place up.
Was this really necessary? Getting rid of the evidence, sure, but it seems like just an excuse to have an action sequence.
and killing Boyd? after he's been immobilized? Seems a bit much.
Topher got Saunders out, and wiped her presumably.
We blow up the lab and save the world. Yay!
Oh wait, no we didn't.
I did not see the trailer, and I don't want to know.
Epitaph Two: The Return, in 2 weeks 01/29/10.
Hey we'll almost make it to the one year mark 02/13/09 !
Boyd has always been the moral center of the show, despite what seemed to be incidentally working for the most twisted evil corporation. A world of heaviness, the most reliably stable and strong guy. Being that ECHO was kind of MIA Boyd became the defacto hero in many instances. Also super "reasonable"? One of the weird telling bits, or just really weird, is when he initially catches Paul in the Dollhouse he's apt to let him go?!?
Only it's all a lie!
This is so depressing, I think a huge let down for the audience. I'm not sure if it's insanely bad writing or genius.
Daddy issues galore.
I wonder if it would have been better if they had killed him off?
This is twistedly weird and wrong.
I always thought he would the leader of some other anti-Dollhouse faction or something.
They never really reconcile his judgement with his actions/lack of ethics.
QUESTIONS
Boyd died? really?
He can A) put himself in different bodies,
B) knows who to make himself immune and has had access to ECHO's spinal fluid.
C) can't install some sort of shielding / unwiping hardware in himself?
D) is not the most excellent sociopathic liar ever?
How did Boyd feel about Claire?
Did he feel nothing for her? just using her?
Are we sure that's really Boyd? How? It's still too twisted to understand.
Who is/was Claire?
E1 says she will be back? the same?
Is α:ALPHA still around in 2020? Is he immune to the tech?
Did Boyd kill all the Rossum soldiers?
Did DeWitt know anything about Boyd? Seems a bit outlandish, but something seems a bit strange there.
What about DeWitt's indiscretion? or was that for Season 3?
Additional note about this episode, at the beginning of the post for the last episode.
The whole Boyd thing was a really big deal.
(…)
PREVIOUS EPISODE
THE LAST EPISODE EVER?
SPOILER, SPOILER, SPOILLLARRRR!
DO NOT READ UNLESS YOU HAVE WATCHED THE TITLED EPISODE
Man that was so sad.
We all loved Boyd? and he's a demented screwed up sociopath?!?
I still can't understand that.
I sort of believe it, but it's hard to put it together.
Maybe if things hadn't been rushed it would have worked better.
(¿typical Whedon story? … even with Buffy a little bit despite not getting surprise-cancelled)
Not sure Eliza Dushku is the star of Dollhouse, so much as Harry Lennix.
He's one of the main reasons I do sort of believe it.
I don't understand Team ECHO's need to kill, seems a bit much.
SYNOPSIS:
Viewer discretion is advised.
Back to the beginning.
Boyd starts his Rossum Conference Call {smirk} …
This is funny, 'til he gets to the point.
ECHO is a genetic mutation? This is reasonable?
So it's cause Rossum wants her body, not α:ALPHA {smirk}
This is confusing.
Did ECHO get nabbed with her boyfriend Leo or here?
or was the Leo thing implanted to cover this up? {confusion},
or was Leo in on this one?
Only the Leo thing was in L.A.?
… and we're taking the most valuable biological asset and we're going to put it out there as a Doll which can be killed?!?
But I supposed if you buy Boyd as a deranged sociopath? which I sort of do -- that makes everything possible.
Back to present day with Pryia and Anthony, return to a messed up Dollhouse.
Paul crunches the phones, reminds me of E1.
Mellie knows she's a program.
Boyd & Co show up,
Boyd: "It's us."
as if that makes it okay now.
ECHO "It's burning. It hurts take it out"
So she's seen this episode?
Boyd has a speech?!? about how we must persevere? This is very twisted.
Rossum stole the drives? Except the Topher drive.
This is remedied by Epitaph One (E1).
Tech aversion? Epitaph again?
Pryia puts Anthony in the chair.
VICTOR/Topher!
When is this imprint from? The last time?
Topher': "Am I Dead?"
Clyde Randolph is WHISKEY?
Boyd's still playing dumb.
Topher-Cam.
Was Boyd aware of the Topher-Cam?
Caroline is the savior?
Boyd breaks everyone out.
I'm reminded of the time when Book was shot: "My ident card."
VICTOR/Topher is insanely good.
and Harry Lennix is amazing as previously stated, and reaffirmed by VICTOR/Topher.
VICTOR/Topher will enhance Anthony.
Use the tech for good.
Topher confides in Boyd about ECHO being drugged, left Topher2.0 for VICTOR and SIERRA
Topher: "Go Team!" "Bros before others who aren't bros."
Anothony does a "Load me up tank" -- and he apparently knows Kung-Fu.
Is this because he's a Doll? Why haven't we used this before now?
Why aren't all the handlers augmented? Lab techs?
Entrapment part deux. We need to fix the wiper to get out.
Boyd knew it wouldn't work(?) If not kind of wrong?
Why would you wipe Topher? or is Boyd counting on his back up?
It's kind of like messing with the goose who lays the golden eggs.
I suppose this goes back to the, When you wipe someone are they gone? idea?
I guess we've already been given the α:ALPHA answer, NO.
Paul and Mellie get weapons from the weapons cache.
This is kind of strange for a corporation.
NOVEMBER: "Why am I here Paul?"
Good question (save plot obligations)
Also why is she still armed as a sleeper?
Why isn't the Caroline integration a bigger deal? I suppose time constraints.
Maybe she's been Caroline (only better all along).
Boyd: "I'm glad I choose you."
So much for not being able to harm your handler.
Boyd: "You're here 'cause you're my family. I love you guys." -- ENTER psycho/sociopath-Boyd.
This is SO twistedly funny/perverse.
I've often been annoyed with the Whedonesque romance of assembling your own 'Family'.
Seems a little weird and twisted on some levels.
Glad it was finally give that kind of turn.
Mainframe generates a lot of heat?
Mainframe is distributed around the world?
Will you burn up peoples' brains up? Here worldwide?
Boyd has been messing with people? Programming them via influence? This is weird and twisted.
Then he talks about the technology, and how it can't be uninvented.
Couldn't he have stopped things at some point? At the very least after he reprogrammed Clyde? Then it's just him. Seems bizarre and twisted to be frightened of your own creation, then again …
At the same time he has a point. At this point in the story, maybe controlling the tech would be better than trying to eradicate it?
Up to point of:
"Do you want to be the Destroyed? or the Destroyers?"
The wipe or be wiped idea.
Though that sounds like it's good to have preemptive war, as someone is always trying to take advantage, it's kind of sick and paranoid.
How about attempting to counteract all the above?
They can't replicate her spinal fluid?
Bring the secondary cooling system online, so it didn't work.
We go back to the old Hitchcock idea, something to the effect of
"If there's a gun on screen. At some point in the film it will go off."
Thus Mellie "There are three flowers… "
My first thought was apparently imprints can be overcome via reminding people of their feelings, but this is a special case as she's still Mellie, just psycho Mellie?!?
I saw this coming a few seconds before, as I imagine many did. We know Paul will be some state of okay, and there's the looming
E1 mention of "Remember what happened to November." and the "which one?" to allow room for interpretation.
Madeline Costly disappeared back when the D.C. house took her.
DeWitt is still to blame for giving over the plan in my opinion?
Claire can't overcome the programming aside of not being real.
Paul is out of the loop. ¿DeWitt is the red herring? Maybe in the sense of the entire show?
ECHO did shoot Paul in the leg/knee? which apparently he recovers from quickly.
This is bizarre.
Topher wipes Boyd.
Wipe means 'gone'? or yet to be retrieved?
We wire Boyd up and tell him to blow the place up.
Was this really necessary? Getting rid of the evidence, sure, but it seems like just an excuse to have an action sequence.
and killing Boyd? after he's been immobilized? Seems a bit much.
Topher got Saunders out, and wiped her presumably.
We blow up the lab and save the world. Yay!
Oh wait, no we didn't.
I did not see the trailer, and I don't want to know.
Epitaph Two: The Return, in 2 weeks 01/29/10.
Hey we'll almost make it to the one year mark 02/13/09 !
Boyd has always been the moral center of the show, despite what seemed to be incidentally working for the most twisted evil corporation. A world of heaviness, the most reliably stable and strong guy. Being that ECHO was kind of MIA Boyd became the defacto hero in many instances. Also super "reasonable"? One of the weird telling bits, or just really weird, is when he initially catches Paul in the Dollhouse he's apt to let him go?!?
Only it's all a lie!
This is so depressing, I think a huge let down for the audience. I'm not sure if it's insanely bad writing or genius.
Daddy issues galore.
I wonder if it would have been better if they had killed him off?
This is twistedly weird and wrong.
I always thought he would the leader of some other anti-Dollhouse faction or something.
They never really reconcile his judgement with his actions/lack of ethics.
QUESTIONS
Boyd died? really?
He can A) put himself in different bodies,
B) knows who to make himself immune and has had access to ECHO's spinal fluid.
C) can't install some sort of shielding / unwiping hardware in himself?
D) is not the most excellent sociopathic liar ever?
How did Boyd feel about Claire?
Did he feel nothing for her? just using her?
Are we sure that's really Boyd? How? It's still too twisted to understand.
Who is/was Claire?
E1 says she will be back? the same?
Is α:ALPHA still around in 2020? Is he immune to the tech?
Did Boyd kill all the Rossum soldiers?
Did DeWitt know anything about Boyd? Seems a bit outlandish, but something seems a bit strange there.
What about DeWitt's indiscretion? or was that for Season 3?
Additional note about this episode, at the beginning of the post for the last episode.
The whole Boyd thing was a really big deal.