fandom Meta: archiving stories directly from LJ

Jan 10, 2008 00:17

So, this is all (once again) cesperanza's fault. It all started with a posting she made in which...well, I'll let you read it for yourself if you're interested, but what came to me while reading it was we need better archiving. Not that existing archives aren't beautiful and whatnot, but there is no tie in with LJ, and the LJ community is thriving, and many ( Read more... )

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sallymn January 10 2008, 09:50:15 UTC
I only have a few stories, but any archive not on OTW I'd be happy to be in...

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arrow00 January 10 2008, 10:48:55 UTC
Do people have issues with OTW? I only heard about it a week or so ago...

My proposal is orthogonal, anyway. I am hoping we can use existing archives such as 852prospect and squidge's DSA. If OTW eventually comes out with an open source archive package that's more robust than existing archives, we could always migrate the data to a new server and set it up. (I'm hoping for better searching. At present, you can't really search the story text at the aforementioned archives.)

Wherever we do end up, however, will be decided before we start gathering the stories. So anyone who has an objection to the ultimate archive location can simply opt not to participate.

->Arrow (up late with weird stomach-fu)

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sallymn January 10 2008, 11:04:06 UTC
Do people have issues with OTW? Most people probably don't, mine's a personal one...

What's interesting is that I was thinking the other day about the possibility of doing up a "Gen TS for Slash Lovers" list (a friend and I did one - ending up with 100 stories) for Blakes 7) An archive would be a godsend if I did have a go... I do like lists {g}

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arrow00 January 10 2008, 17:28:11 UTC
Oh, me too. I adore them. But then I'm a nerd. :)

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vsee January 10 2008, 11:51:37 UTC
Hiya, arrow,

I am the "some woman" (eeep!) cesperanza was referring to in that post, and I was sort of quoted out of context anyway. I am very much in favor of more widespread archiving. See my follow up post over here.

Your system is something like what I was picturing. I'd like to see if it is possible to only slightly alter existing habits (something like inserting tags or whatnot) and using the existing power of the resources we use.

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arrow00 January 10 2008, 17:51:59 UTC
I agree with your follow-up post, vsee. Archiving just isn't *easy* enough, ultimately. And there are other problems with it: it's not cross-communication enough, and people's comments usually go directly to the author--this discourages commenting and community reaction. For most, you also can't edit your story afterward w/o intervention.

Plus, it doesn't have cutie icons. :)

We'll see if I can get any traction with my idea, which I think of as sort of "glue" between the best features of both methods.

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karieflybabe January 10 2008, 12:19:30 UTC
This is why I have a separate journal for my stories, to control confusion. It may be simple to others but I like it just fine. I use a variation of your proposed template.

Title:
Author: KarieAuthoress
email: karierauthoress@gmail.com
Permission to archive: Yes, but please tell me where.
Fandom: The Sentinel
Genre:
Pairing:
Summary:
Warnings:
Notes:

For all my stories, I do this.

For TS writers though, I think there is an LJ community who is at least attempting to help us keep track of some of our stories.

I'll keep an eye on this for later...

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arrow00 January 10 2008, 17:56:08 UTC
Even with a separate journal, though, I've noticed (back when I only posted fic to mine) that people didn't realize they could find all my stories listed cleanly using the tags and the memories. Even though the links were right there in the menu! Also, it's not centralized or searchable like an archive would be.

I like your template very much. It's what I had in mind. I would have to encourage people to rate their stories in a readable way and also include pairings.

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karieflybabe January 10 2008, 20:11:01 UTC
I actually picked up my template from Wonderful World Of Makebelieve back when I wanted to start posted my TS fic somewhere.

I agree about the tags, especially on some journal styles where there are no tags to click on and search. That can often be frustrating. Or if a writer doesn't use tags at all.

My only concern is most likely a technical one, something about the wording of your proposal. Clarification would be appreciated. Where would these stories be archived and in what format? I ask for a couple of reasons, but I want to make sure I don't put my foot in my mouth in the asking.

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Nifty Tool morgandawn January 11 2008, 07:21:34 UTC
I am guessing here - but the tool itself will be flexible enough so you can archive into an existing archive (like the ones currently in place for DS and Sentinel) or, if there is no archive, the tool can be used to pull stories into a new archive. of course the people running the archive will have to agree to fans using the tool to push/pull the stories to the right destination ( ... )

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spuffyduds January 10 2008, 13:22:20 UTC
That sounds awesome and painless. (Well, not painless for YOU, but for the people getting authomatically archived...)

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arrow00 January 10 2008, 17:56:53 UTC
Painless is what I'm going for, since that's what *works*. ;) Painful stuff gets shunted, and I do hate to be shunned.

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laurie_ky January 10 2008, 16:00:52 UTC
I'd do it.
Laurie

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arrow00 January 10 2008, 17:57:06 UTC
Sweet!

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