Huh. Interestingly, while I agree with some of those statements, I can't say any of them is the REASON I have faith or believe in my Gods. Because, clearly, it is not a thing derived from reason. While I see signs in things, do (sometimes) feel presences when I pray, etc, none of these are the reason. The reason is that I believe. It's highly unreasonable.
I do however do my damndest to ensure that that is the ONLY part of my faith that is unreasonable!
You believe because you believe? Well, certainly something must have caused you to start believing originally? What was the reason for that? I don't think you were born believing in the god you currently believe in, so you must have started at some point? When did you first read about him and realize that was the right one?
I really have no clue what you are saying... (It sounds like just a circular argument, re: 'I believe because I believe', which works out in the absence of any other reason to be 'I believe for no reason'.) but like I said, just the closest thing to the reason is fine. Whichever one is closest to the reason.
I think they're saying that the reason for believing is unreasonable. Then, the commenter appears to say that this is the only unreasonable part of the belief.
I would argue that believing anything without a reason is illogical and potentially dangerous. Furthermore, if the reasons for believing an idea are illogical and unreasonable, then the proposition must be unreasonable as well.
If we had no reason to believe in gravity, why would anyone consider the proposition of gravity reasonable? We have no reason to believe in unicorns. Why would anyone consider a unicorn a reasonable creature to believe in without reason to believe in it.
"I believe in it because it doesn't make any sense to believe it" is not an honorable proposition. It is actually a sign of naivety and gullibility.
I agree with this entirely, which is why I think I misunderstand him -- He's a reasonable guy.
If your basic assumption on the belief is unreasonable, how secure can anything rooted on that belief be? The absolute foundation of a thing being entirely unreasonable means the rest of the structure would be, too. I mean, abstract it: If you were an architect, and you were aware you believed something that was entirely unreasonable, let's just say something like:
'Pi is exactly equal to 3.'
Entirely unreasonable, and you're aware of it, but after that unreasonable assumption, everything you design is perfectly reasonable!!
Except your bridges fall apart when put together, because the foundation is entirely unreasonable.
I suspect he probably didn't mean unreasonable, but something else. I guess we'll see if he comments again, which I hope he will. : ) I think it is impossible to believe something is true and at the same time entirely unreasonable. If you think it is true, it's because on some level you think it is reasonable.
I think that falls under 'Someone I trust told me that my god is real.'. But perhaps another option would be good... a lot of them are somewhat retundant, though I've heard all the anti-atheist ones many times. : )
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I do however do my damndest to ensure that that is the ONLY part of my faith that is unreasonable!
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I really have no clue what you are saying... (It sounds like just a circular argument, re: 'I believe because I believe', which works out in the absence of any other reason to be 'I believe for no reason'.) but like I said, just the closest thing to the reason is fine. Whichever one is closest to the reason.
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I would argue that believing anything without a reason is illogical and potentially dangerous. Furthermore, if the reasons for believing an idea are illogical and unreasonable, then the proposition must be unreasonable as well.
If we had no reason to believe in gravity, why would anyone consider the proposition of gravity reasonable? We have no reason to believe in unicorns. Why would anyone consider a unicorn a reasonable creature to believe in without reason to believe in it.
"I believe in it because it doesn't make any sense to believe it" is not an honorable proposition. It is actually a sign of naivety and gullibility.
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If your basic assumption on the belief is unreasonable, how secure can anything rooted on that belief be? The absolute foundation of a thing being entirely unreasonable means the rest of the structure would be, too. I mean, abstract it: If you were an architect, and you were aware you believed something that was entirely unreasonable, let's just say something like:
'Pi is exactly equal to 3.'
Entirely unreasonable, and you're aware of it, but after that unreasonable assumption, everything you design is perfectly reasonable!!
Except your bridges fall apart when put together, because the foundation is entirely unreasonable.
I suspect he probably didn't mean unreasonable, but something else. I guess we'll see if he comments again, which I hope he will. : ) I think it is impossible to believe something is true and at the same time entirely unreasonable. If you think it is true, it's because on some level you think it is reasonable.
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