Fandom: Supernatural Title: Five Times Dean Acted Like A Girl (6/6) Author: arby_m Pairing: various combinations of Sam, Andy and girl!Dean Rating: R (cussing, Wincest) Spoilers: Through Simon SaidWarnings: None
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I...uh. I'm usually really easy when it comes to fanfic, and I'll forgive or overlook a lot of things because it's fanfiction and it's supposed to be fun and not too serious. But for this one, I really couldn't tell if this was a fic written by a guy and what he thinks it's like to be a girl or what was going on. As a woman, I was a bit insulted by parts...the majority of it
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First of all, thank you for your comment. I truly appreciate your time in responding and the obvious care you took to craft a non-inflammatory critique.
Secondly, this answers my own question - I had been wondering if I should mention in a note or something that I was kidding, and it was not meant to be a serious reflection of women as a whole. It was 'crack' in the sense that I thought it would be funny to see Dean (especially because he is such a chauvanist, as portrayed in the show) turned into the most stereotypical girl possible. I am saddened that obviously my intent did not come across. For the record, I'm a woman, and I certainly don't think that shopping etc. is biologically determined!
Finally, I am sorry that you found the story offensive. I'll be thinking about what I could have done differently to make it clearer that I don't personally subscribe to those beliefs. Obviously I'll add a note, but I shouldn't have to, the writing should be able to stand alone.
Thank you for hearing it; definitely didn't want it to attack.
I think it's mostly a matter of degree. If you make it so out there, or insert a character who questions what Dean's doing/points out the absurdity of his actions, you can easily get across the message that it's a social commentary. But right now it languishes in that 'I can't really tell if they're being serious or not...' no-man's land. Satire is, by far, the hardest type of literature to write, so props for working with it.
And I totally agree with Dean's chauvinism on the show. It makes me want to pull my hair out because if you just cut that crap away, he's actually one of the most interesting and faceted characters on television. The way the entire show treats women makes me cringe and wonder if the showrunner was rejected by a bunch of girls in high school.
Thanks for the props - not sure I even really know what I'm doing, but I love the classics like Jonathan Swift etc.
I think maybe I can give Sam a line expressing skepticism - in my head he's mostly just laughing at Dean's total ridiculousness, but if anyone would be able to call Dean on it, it'd be Sam.
This is why I should maybe, um... have a beta or something. *hides head in shame*
Yes re: the show & women - I feel like it started out not as horribly (we had Ellen - and to some extent Jo - as strong female characters, to counteract all the annoying Chicks of the Week) but it took a particularly nasty turn last season, esp. in regards to Dean (as I am far from the first to point out). In the first two seasons he just didn't really notice women were people*, but last season it seemed like he (and by extension, the writers, because Dean's always been the show's heart/id) actively hated women in general. And yes, I too am even more distressed by this because I loved his character so much in S1 and find it truly fascinating outside
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Secondly, this answers my own question - I had been wondering if I should mention in a note or something that I was kidding, and it was not meant to be a serious reflection of women as a whole. It was 'crack' in the sense that I thought it would be funny to see Dean (especially because he is such a chauvanist, as portrayed in the show) turned into the most stereotypical girl possible. I am saddened that obviously my intent did not come across. For the record, I'm a woman, and I certainly don't think that shopping etc. is biologically determined!
Finally, I am sorry that you found the story offensive. I'll be thinking about what I could have done differently to make it clearer that I don't personally subscribe to those beliefs. Obviously I'll add a note, but I shouldn't have to, the writing should be able to stand alone.
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I think it's mostly a matter of degree. If you make it so out there, or insert a character who questions what Dean's doing/points out the absurdity of his actions, you can easily get across the message that it's a social commentary. But right now it languishes in that 'I can't really tell if they're being serious or not...' no-man's land. Satire is, by far, the hardest type of literature to write, so props for working with it.
And I totally agree with Dean's chauvinism on the show. It makes me want to pull my hair out because if you just cut that crap away, he's actually one of the most interesting and faceted characters on television. The way the entire show treats women makes me cringe and wonder if the showrunner was rejected by a bunch of girls in high school.
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I think maybe I can give Sam a line expressing skepticism - in my head he's mostly just laughing at Dean's total ridiculousness, but if anyone would be able to call Dean on it, it'd be Sam.
This is why I should maybe, um... have a beta or something. *hides head in shame*
Yes re: the show & women - I feel like it started out not as horribly (we had Ellen - and to some extent Jo - as strong female characters, to counteract all the annoying Chicks of the Week) but it took a particularly nasty turn last season, esp. in regards to Dean (as I am far from the first to point out). In the first two seasons he just didn't really notice women were people*, but last season it seemed like he (and by extension, the writers, because Dean's always been the show's heart/id) actively hated women in general. And yes, I too am even more distressed by this because I loved his character so much in S1 and find it truly fascinating outside ( ... )
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