Mind uploading via archived files

Oct 02, 2010 09:11

(Prompted by Xuenay whose post I am using as a template ( Read more... )

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the_s_guy October 2 2010, 09:16:29 UTC
Admittedly, I don't think many people today would hesitate to use documents and evidence from an earlier century or millennium to reconstruct someone from that era, regardless of any permissions they may or may not have given. Particularly if the tech was cutting-edge.

In addition, anyone populating torture worlds with assorted mindfiles is probably not going to care much for the wishes of the original sources. There may even be torture worlds where part of the thrill is that all the mindfiles there were specifically from people who denied permission.

On a tangent, it'd be interesting to give such copies the ability to hack their own mindfiles. I wonder how many people would like to adjust their personalities, behaviours, reactions, fears, addictions etc?

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arabwel October 2 2010, 09:23:06 UTC
People suck seems to be the general theme of the past human history. But I like to think we will be slightly less bastardly in the future. (the idea that we will always be sadistic savages doe snot appeal to me)

I would assume that there would be people quite willing to do that - I know people who would do it today in a blink. I know I would be very tempted, myself - after all, since it is a mindfile you can always rollback.. or can you?

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madda_gaska October 2 2010, 14:39:40 UTC
Sorry, that just sounds a bit too pseudo-science. Even given everything that you've ever produced online, all the data you've ever been involved in, anything that would be reconstructible from that would not be you.

Leaving aside any possibly contradictory information due to changes in your views over time, and possible lack of full detailed accuracy in some things you may relate regarding your own experiences, anything that was constructed from it would not have those same experiences, because there would be some that you've missed. Maybe because you didn't know anyone you were comfortable sharing them with, or maybe because they seemed trivial to you from the point of view of making conversation.

Also, you'd need to have FMRI scans and the like of a sufficient level to reconstruct the physical hardware on which you were running. Otherwise the experiences would potentially be overlayed on something which had different chemical imbalances to you.

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rifumi October 2 2010, 15:24:33 UTC
Pseudoscientific wishful thinking, yes, and I would rather assume that most of the data we have from this current era will not exist in any usable format in say, 50 years (including this written statement). And this is not even addressing the question of how to make a bunch of data conscious. Nor do I see why it would be desirable in any sense, or who would want or bother to do it in the first place. Because like you pointed out, it still wouldn't be the same person, just a creature with some similar thought patterns _at best_.

Also you'd definitely need your genetic code stored as well, although that, too, holds very little information that would help reconstruct your psyche. But it would have some info on your physiological state, which in turn would affect your psyche, so it'd be essential still.

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xuenay October 2 2010, 22:30:10 UTC
And this is not even addressing the question of how to make a bunch of data conscious.

Construct a human brain running in software. Incorporate into it all the knowledge that the original being reconstructed is known to have had, and judge whether it - if placed to the same environment as the original - would have produced the same outputs as the original. Tweak it until it does.

(Though testing its reactions when placed into situations it found uncomfortable or painful is for obvious reasons ethically questionable, so you may have to resort to a rough estimate.)

Because like you pointed out, it still wouldn't be the same person, just a creature with some similar thought patterns _at best_.

Am I same person tomorrow as I am today? To the extent that I am, it's because the two creatures share sufficiently similar thought patterns. Make the patterns close enough, and you get to the point where they can be plausibly called the same.

Also you'd definitely need your genetic code stored as well, although that, too, holds very little ( ... )

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rifumi October 3 2010, 15:07:54 UTC
(part 1 of my musings ( ... )

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