Comments | arabian: 3.04 'Charlie Don't Surf' L/V Thoughts

arabian

3.04 'Charlie Don't Surf' L/V Thoughts

Oct 25, 2006 06:09

Sigh, so I Guess This Icon Wasn't a Spoiler After All :( Anyhoo, I'm trying to get my Logan/Veronica analysis done earlier and I did it this week, so yay. This is for the upcoming episode breakdown for The LoVe Shack. Enjoy.

( Eleven scenes again, if not quite the same caliber of last week. )

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Comments 16

polarthestral October 25 2006, 10:43:59 UTC

And let us take note, this is the first time we've ever seen Veronica and Keith have dinner with ANYONE! And Keith suggested it which makes one think that he knows how serious Veronica is about Logan. Squee!

Technically, Keith showed interest in Troy and made Veronica arrange an outing for all three of them as well. They did go mini-golfing and Keith arranged that for similar reasons. Keith tends to want to have a meeting when Veroica starts spending a lot of time with her boyfriends. Though, I love that we never saw a Duncan/Keith/Veronica dinner despite the fact Keith seemed to approve of Duncan. That seems to show he wasn't concerned about Duncan becoming a permanent fixture. A cynic would say that shows Keith wasn't concerned about Duncan's intentions but I think Keith's lack of interest shows he wasn't threatened by Duncan's inteference in the Daddy-Daughter dynamic in the same way he is with Troy and Logan.

"Hearst accepted him late because his scores were so high," she said proudlyWell . . . technically she used this ( ... )

arabian October 25 2006, 10:54:19 UTC

I don't agree, sorry. The Troy situation was totally different because Keith didn't know Troy at ALL! Logan he's known since he was twelve. He didn't need to get to know Logan, this arrangement struck more as Keith was aware of the importance of Logan and so he was inviting him, albeit for one night, into the inner circle.

Got to disagree about your second point. Yes, she was covering up his low test scores, but she'd been interrupting non-stop, she not only knew this fact about Logan, it was one that she DID deliver proudly. She could do what you're suggesting, get away from the bad grades, and still be showing her pride in him. I just didn't see anything in Veronica's actions that showed any disappointment or disapproval in Logan. This is her dad and we know that she knows how he is with guys. If she was so disappointed and disproved of Logan so deeply, she wouldn't have agreed to the dinner.

polarthestral October 25 2006, 11:33:31 UTC

You compared the way Keith interrogated Logan with the way he interrogated Troy - based on his intentions and all. So I see no problem in comparing Keith's decision to have a dinner with Logan, especially considering he obviously didn't have a dinner with Logan the first time around. I think Keith didn't see him as a serious part of Veronica's life then in the same way he didn't see Duncan like that. With Troy and Logan the second time around I think Keith could see how much Veronica had invested herelf in the relationship so it is comparable.

I think I took the marks comment like I did because it ties in with the way she insulted Logan's intelligence/dedication in the last episode. Veronica does disapprove of the way Logan behaves academically, it's been portrayed in past episodes - she made several comments about it in the episode right before this one. There was also a slight reference in 2.17 with Logan "plagiarising" Easy Rider. I do think she was trying to protect Logan, but that instinct to protect him from Keith's ( ... )

arabian October 25 2006, 20:27:17 UTC

My comparison was about that's what VERONICA thought. Keith arranged the dinner, and in her experience when Keith arranged to talk to her beaus, it was bad news. I think Keith genuinely wanted to get to know Logan better.

And the high scores things was soooooooooooo different from last week. She was trying to be a bitch last week. Here, she knew that Logan got bad grades (which we're all assuming he did), but she was latching onto what he did do well. He tested high. She knew that and she was touting it. If Logan DID get bad grades, not wanting Keith to know isn't a bad thing. She probably figures that Keith already suspects that, so instead, she's all "Hey! He had really high scores! Woohoo!" She wasn't saying Logan is dumb, dad. She was avoiding a topic that she knew was negative (his bad grades) to spotlight proof of his intelligence.

I just don't see any bad in how Veronica handled things.

harper47 October 25 2006, 11:20:38 UTC

Wow - that was fast. I enjoyed reliving all the lovely moments again. And yes, the very, very best part about this is Veronica didn't pull back. This is what we LoVe fans have been waiting to see - a relationship where each member is giving every part of them fully. I just basked in this show.

arabian October 25 2006, 11:31:36 UTC

Well, with my laptop at work, I could work on it and really there wasn't that much to analyze at all in this episode. It was mostly just Veronica being an awesome girlfriend and us seeing LoVe in a healthy relationship. Awesome!

I totally agree tigereyes320 October 25 2006, 11:32:52 UTC

The only part I'm not sure I agree with was the last scene. I think they had Veronica deliver her lines like that to possibly gauge Logan's reaction.

He'd just been devastated, she might not have been completely sure where he was emotionally at that moment, when she realized he wasn't angry so much as miserable she did the whole leaning thing.

Frankly I'd have liked to see Veronica do her little butting in part and maybe have a talk with the real Charlie Stone - I also wish there had been resolution with Logan's money, since the accountant was taking money form him did he get it back?

Otherwise I loved this episode, and I agree if we hadn't seen Wichita first this episode would have been Twilight zone episode. I love when they aren't all angst they are capable of having a healthy realtionship!

Re: I totally agree arabian October 25 2006, 20:48:02 UTC

The only part I'm not sure I agree with was the last scene. I think they had Veronica deliver her lines like that to possibly gauge Logan's reaction.

You could be right, but I wish that the director had gone for something else or that KB had had a little less patronzing in her tone.

Frankly I'd have liked to see Veronica do her little butting in part and maybe have a talk with the real Charlie Stone

Hmm, maybe Veronica will help broker something between Logan and RealCharlie down the road? She could certainly explain the situation in a way that he might understand.

I also wish there had been resolution with Logan's money, since the accountant was taking money form him did he get it back?

But the money he was taking was set up in Aaron's will, I guess, for the Real Charlie. It wasn't being embezzled, so that would mean Logan really is running low on funds, whether we'll see more on this, I don't know.

I love when they aren't all angst they are capable of having a healthy realtionship!

YES! I love healthy, happy LoVe!

havemy_heart October 25 2006, 16:38:20 UTC

I have shied away from others' thoughts of this season because I was just getting depressed. I haven't even finished reading this but I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for realizing/seeing/understanding that Logan isn't the same because he's growing up and maturing, which people are allowed to do. Some people seem to want to keep Logan as the same old snarky, occasional OPJ with no possibility of character growth. This makes me sad. We're finally seeing Veronica and Logan trying to have a healthy relationship, and I am elated. He has still retained his ability to banter with Veronica and we saw with fake!Charlie that he'll still throw a punch where needed, but he's growing as a character. He's in college now and doesn't have to worry about his father anymore. That inspires change and I wish more people would see that.

*off to finish reading*

arabian October 25 2006, 20:58:55 UTC

Well, I'm glad you enjoy it. Yes, I agree with you, we're seeing growth in him. I was one who was frustrating last year that Logan seemed unaffected by all that had happened, so seeing him this way really makes sense. I like a lot.

I hope you enjoyed the whole thing. (And I've written up the rest of the season and posted it here also. S1 and S2 can be found at either something-happens.com or in the breakdowns at The LoVe Shack (link in the first post).

afrocurl October 25 2006, 16:58:21 UTC

Hee! We have a supportive relationship between these two, and that's good.

That's all I've got right now.

arabian October 25 2006, 20:59:20 UTC

That's enough and entirely appropriate!