I do have major problems with where they're going with Elena's character right now. How are we back to "Feel something, say something, please, Stefan"? How... what... WHY?! A couple episodes back he was threatening to kill her and Damon was there to pick up the pieces... again. Now Damon's love is a problem. And Stefan is apparently forgiven. Did I miss a full season or something? See, I'm all for angst and drama, but not when it's an unintentional result of bad writing.
Nah, it's not bad writing (although, I was clearly pissed last night, LOL!). It is completely in character, as I detailed in my follow-up post. This does make sense. And this IS a journey.
I've stated several times that I feel like Elena becomes a completely different person around Stefan, a person that I just cannot enjoy. It's like her strength, her growth, her development are all being eradicated in a matter of seconds every time she's with him and it just doesn't matter what he does, she will always be the S1 Elena, staring at
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Yeah, last night's episode was... frustrating in a lot of ways.
I think that the only thing I disagree with you about is that vamp-speed during sex doesn't throw me out of the moment and the Damon/Rebekah thing worked for me. I don't mind that they don't have as much chemistry because it was obviously not at all romantic and just the two of them working out frustration.
Eh, the vamp speed just doesn't do it for me, LOL! I don't mind that they didn't have much chemistry, it just made it hard for me to get into even the non-romantic heat of it. Ah well.
As always, your review sum up well my feelings about the episode. I'm so angry at Elena's behaviour in this episode that I can't even find the words to express it. Right now, I really want Damon to say "fuck off" to everyone and have some fun because he's obviously being used (abused?) by Elena and Co and he doesn't even get a "thank you" when he saves someone's life...
By the way, I agree with you about Paul Wesley acting. I read all this articles praising his acting this season but to me he has two expressions: angry/crazy and broody. He wasn't very good in this episode, especially the last scene with Elena, he's just blank. I think that's one of the reason why I don't connect with Stefan. I connect more or less with all the TVD characters (even Bonnie and I don't like her most of the time) but I really don't care about Stefan.
I'm so angry at Elena's behaviour in this episode that I can't even find the words to express it.
It really is in character, and I can see where she's coming from. It took some time for me to see that, but it is true.
Right now, I really want Damon to say "fuck off" to everyone and have some fun because he's obviously being used (abused?) by Elena and Co and he doesn't even get a "thank you" when he saves someone's life...
Yeah, I think he needs to do that, though, even if I get Elena's point of view now.
By the way, I agree with you about Paul Wesley acting. I read all this articles praising his acting this season but to me he has two expressions: angry/crazy and broody. He wasn't very good in this episode, especially the last scene with Elena, he's just blank. I think that's one of the reason why I don't connect with Stefan. I connect more or less with all the TVD characters (even Bonnie and I don'
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I liked it... but that aside in terms of shippiness, I think once Elena finds out (because you KNOW she must!) about Damon/Rebekah, we'll finally see the jealousy from her that will make her realize that things aren't "complicated" -- she loves two brothers. Even Julie Plec made a point of talking about how Elena has one line of dialogue where she unconsciously said "being in love with vampires" (plural!) to Matt on the bridge. Elena just needs to fully realize and accept it.
Plus, she's already jealous of Damon/Rebekah anyway for their flirting marshmallow scene... :)
Damon is treated with the most respect and liking from Liz and Carol, and not from anyone supposedly in his inner circle.
I think that's simply because he respects them. They don't have any reason to be disrespectful because he's acting like a normal person around them. Whereas when it comes to the people he's close to... he loves them, sure, but he's also very bad at showing them respect (see: Elena in this episode).
Other than a few smiles, Elena treated Damon mostly like he was a nuisance.
I've been trying to make sense of this. She and Damon were on OK terms just last episode, why the sudden disdain for him? I'm suspecting it might have something to do with the fact that both Damon and Stefan went with her to the ball. Stefan around, and Elena didn't want to hurt his feelings by being too nice and flirty with Damon, especially after seeing his reaction to the kiss. She ended up hurting Damon's feelings instead, which she obviously wasn't proud of, but better Damon than Stefan.
He respects Elena and Ric, hell, even clearly respects Bonnie's witchy power.
They don't have any reason to be disrespectful because he's acting like a normal person around them. Whereas when it comes to the people he's close to... he loves them, sure, but he's also very bad at showing them respect (see: Elena in this episode).I just disagree. Elena didn't really deserve much respect for her choices because they were STUPID! She was, once again, blithely putting her life in danger on the off-chance a woman who already tried to kill her (twice actually), uhm, wouldn't this time. Elena doesn't know that she's the star of a television show and thus won't be killed off. It was really, really, really stupid of her. That's what Damon didn't respect, but he still respects her. And he acts the same way with Elena (minus the being in love with her), Ric, Jeremy, Bonnie and Caroline as he does with Carol and Liz. He snarks, he comments, he points out idiocy (as he did with Carol tonight
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I do have major problems with where they're going with Elena's character right now. How are we back to "Feel something, say something, please, Stefan"? How... what... WHY?! A couple episodes back he was threatening to kill her and Damon was there to pick up the pieces... again. Now Damon's love is a problem. And Stefan is apparently forgiven. Did I miss a full season or something? See, I'm all for angst and drama, but not when it's an unintentional result of bad writing.
Nah, it's not bad writing (although, I was clearly pissed last night, LOL!). It is completely in character, as I detailed in my follow-up post. This does make sense. And this IS a journey.
I've stated several times that I feel like Elena becomes a completely different person around Stefan, a person that I just cannot enjoy. It's like her strength, her growth, her development are all being eradicated in a matter of seconds every time she's with him and it just doesn't matter what he does, she will always be the S1 Elena, staring at ( ... )
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I think that the only thing I disagree with you about is that vamp-speed during sex doesn't throw me out of the moment and the Damon/Rebekah thing worked for me. I don't mind that they don't have as much chemistry because it was obviously not at all romantic and just the two of them working out frustration.
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I feel better. See my follow-up post. Yay!
Eh, the vamp speed just doesn't do it for me, LOL! I don't mind that they didn't have much chemistry, it just made it hard for me to get into even the non-romantic heat of it. Ah well.
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I'm so angry at Elena's behaviour in this episode that I can't even find the words to express it.
Right now, I really want Damon to say "fuck off" to everyone and have some fun because he's obviously being used (abused?) by Elena and Co and he doesn't even get a "thank you" when he saves someone's life...
By the way, I agree with you about Paul Wesley acting. I read all this articles praising his acting this season but to me he has two expressions: angry/crazy and broody. He wasn't very good in this episode, especially the last scene with Elena, he's just blank. I think that's one of the reason why I don't connect with Stefan. I connect more or less with all the TVD characters (even Bonnie and I don't like her most of the time) but I really don't care about Stefan.
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Aww, I hope that my follow-up post helps make it better now. :)
I'm so angry at Elena's behaviour in this episode that I can't even find the words to express it.
It really is in character, and I can see where she's coming from. It took some time for me to see that, but it is true.
Right now, I really want Damon to say "fuck off" to everyone and have some fun because he's obviously being used (abused?) by Elena and Co and he doesn't even get a "thank you" when he saves someone's life...
Yeah, I think he needs to do that, though, even if I get Elena's point of view now.
By the way, I agree with you about Paul Wesley acting. I read all this articles praising his acting this season but to me he has two expressions: angry/crazy and broody. He wasn't very good in this episode, especially the last scene with Elena, he's just blank. I think that's one of the reason why I don't connect with Stefan. I connect more or less with all the TVD characters (even Bonnie and I don' ( ... )
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Plus, she's already jealous of Damon/Rebekah anyway for their flirting marshmallow scene... :)
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I think that's simply because he respects them. They don't have any reason to be disrespectful because he's acting like a normal person around them. Whereas when it comes to the people he's close to... he loves them, sure, but he's also very bad at showing them respect (see: Elena in this episode).
Other than a few smiles, Elena treated Damon mostly like he was a nuisance.
I've been trying to make sense of this. She and Damon were on OK terms just last episode, why the sudden disdain for him? I'm suspecting it might have something to do with the fact that both Damon and Stefan went with her to the ball. Stefan around, and Elena didn't want to hurt his feelings by being too nice and flirty with Damon, especially after seeing his reaction to the kiss. She ended up hurting Damon's feelings instead, which she obviously wasn't proud of, but better Damon than Stefan.
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He respects Elena and Ric, hell, even clearly respects Bonnie's witchy power.
They don't have any reason to be disrespectful because he's acting like a normal person around them. Whereas when it comes to the people he's close to... he loves them, sure, but he's also very bad at showing them respect (see: Elena in this episode).I just disagree. Elena didn't really deserve much respect for her choices because they were STUPID! She was, once again, blithely putting her life in danger on the off-chance a woman who already tried to kill her (twice actually), uhm, wouldn't this time. Elena doesn't know that she's the star of a television show and thus won't be killed off. It was really, really, really stupid of her. That's what Damon didn't respect, but he still respects her. And he acts the same way with Elena (minus the being in love with her), Ric, Jeremy, Bonnie and Caroline as he does with Carol and Liz. He snarks, he comments, he points out idiocy (as he did with Carol tonight ( ... )
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