Finally watched 'Voyage of the Damned'

[arabian]

So I *finally* watched "Voyage of the Damned." I know why I initially waited to watch it. I was skipping through series three of Who and then read a note about Billie Piper's appearance in "Partners in Crime" being a very rare BBC secret so that it shocked everyone and was like "AAAHHH! Rose!!! Must get to series four

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[javabreeze]

[arabian]

Word. All around here.

[shinyopals]

I think the Doctor and Astrid's relationship was *way* too rushed. If it had taken a few episodes, I might have been able to buy it, but it seems to me that they got a bit too "OMG IT'S KYLIE" and wanted to make her be something differently special

[arabian]

I get where you're coming from, and yeah, I could sorta see the Rose parallels, but yeah, coming off of TLotTL was too much. And it just, Kylie Minogue just wasn't strong enough, I think.

This really nails it for me:

I think the Doctor and Astrid's relationship was *way* too rushed. If it had taken a few episodes, I might have been able to buy it, but it seems to me that they got a bit too "OMG IT'S KYLIE" and wanted to make her be something differently special.

[shinyopals]

To be fair, if I were David Tennant, I'd have been pushing for a full on snog... XD

It's KYLIE, after all! ;-)

[arabian]

Yeah, but I don't care. It's not in character and I don't care if he wants to make out with her. Then do it when he's not playing the Doctor. It just bugged. Especially the last one, although I do like your idea:

I can explain it away in my head as the Doctor seeing echoes of Rose in Astrid and perhaps not wanting any more regrets, since he never got to kiss Rose good bye

If we'd had some comment, something that related (even only a whiff of it) to "Doomsday" and not the stupid "custom" line, I wouldn't have had a problem with it.

Oh, and I wanted to mention above, but forgot, that I do think the song had a point to, it's just again, it was too much reaching for me. Too much you had to dig for to make it work. I hate that.

[salienne]

I'm sort of far too out of it (sleep deprivation=yick) to put a detailed response to this right now, but let's just say, I disagree. :P I thought the Rose/Astrid parallels were pretty huge, so not only was it meant to remind the viewer, but on some level it reminded the Doctor. Plus, after being left by just about everyone again, he was in a similar *CLING* mode as he was during The Runaway Bride, all of which cumulated to the sudden attachment.

Although I did think it was too much rehashing of every one of RTD's themes, and I always always always crack up at the JamesBondJesus moment. (And the way Allonso doesn't die... and the Doctor doesn't bother to treat him. Okay?)

The moments that really make the episode for me, though, are a) London deserted, b)"I can do anything!", and c) how picking who lives and who dies would make him a monster. Some really great bits, there.

[arabian]

I generally share a brain with butterfly when it comes to Who, and I know that she really enjoys this episode and Astrid, and sees much of what you did, but alas I did not. I mean, I could reach and find it, but the parallels weren't big enough for me to overcome the sudden lurve the Doctor had for Astrid (although, I like shinyopals thing above about the Doctor kissing her atoms as kind of because he wasn't able to kiss Rose goodbye). I WISH that I could have seen those parallels stronger, but I think that would have relied on stronger acting by Kylie. And I don't think she's capable of it. Aww, I feel bad saying that because she is adorable and I do like her, but there it is.

I always always always crack up at the JamesBondJesus moment.

Seriously, my eyes rolled back so far for that one. Seriously.

(And the way Allonso doesn't die... and the Doctor doesn't bother to treat him. Okay?)

Not only that, he's shot pretty badly and yet we stop seeing signs of that half-way through and by the end, he's showing no wear and tear at all. WTF?

The

[arabian]

But, but, but ... {whining} it's Moffat!!!. *sigh* I'll get around to it eventually. I will; I will.

[arabian]

I will, I will. Eventually.

[the_spin]

Voyage of The Damned is quite possibly my least favorite episode of New Who. And not really for any ship-related reason, but because I found it like, offensively boring and shocking trite, even for my beloved schmaltz-loving RTD.

And for God's sake, watch Time Crash RIGHT NOW. IT IS THE BEST THING EVER OMGOMGOMG.

[arabian]

It was pretty bad.

Sorry, I can't stomach a bad Who episode and then Moffat in the same weekend. It's just not possible, my Who-loving heart can only take so much. Maybe next weekend.

[the_spin]

I understand the hesitation, but tt's really not Moffat-y at all. More just Tennant and Peter Davison being shockingly adorable.

[arabian]

Yeah, I guess, but seeing David be David and not the Doctor twice in one day? Too much. LOL! Next weekend.