Comments | arabian: Confusion about DW finale ire

arabian

Confusion about DW finale ire

Jul 07, 2008 19:16

Being completely honest, I'm really confused and surprised by the amount of anger I'm reading over two aspects of the Doctor Who finale.

( Spoilers for 4x13 behind the cut. )

doctor who, donna noble, tv, doctor/rose

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the_spin July 8 2008, 00:16:09 UTC

I was sad about Donna, but I honestly wasn't expecting her story to end happily at all, and this is why: Donna was awesome. The writing for Donna was fantastic and they made her an incredible character, and that IMMEDIATELY told me she was headed for disaster. I think if they hadn't planned such a tragic end for her she wouldn't have ended up nearly as fabulous as she did, because the production team wouldn't have been striving as hard to make everyone love her (case in point: Martha ( ... )

arabian July 8 2008, 01:23:56 UTC

I must concur on the kiss. What the hell!??! That DWConfidential kiss was so damn hot!! And Blue-Suit Doctor actually looked into it (as opposed to the one we got). Yeah, my biggest issue was the execution of that scene which I blamed mostly on Tennant in my reaction post.

Ah, don't worry, you can still get that angst because in my canon, Rose is immortal like Jack. See, if having all of that vortex "killed" the Doctor, then it totally killed Rose, but while she had the vortex in her, she was operating under that influence, like Gwyneth in "The Unquiet Dead," she was actually dead. So when the RoseTARDIS gave life, she not only gave it to Jack, she gave it to Rose too. So, Blue Suit Doctor can die, but Rose won't. So that will be years in the future with advancement that allows travel between the universes, and then immortal Rose can go looking for Time Lord Doctor and there can be a whole new barrel of angst because she's lived and loved another Doctor.

See, got it all worked out, LOL!

So need to make some kissy-face

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the_spin July 8 2008, 10:56:51 UTC

Oh man, A Thousand Languages is like, one of my all time favorite Doctor/Rose fics. It's brilliant.

And I totally wrote my own happy ending series finale AU, as well. Got to make up your own canon as you go along, am I right?

wynterwolf47 July 8 2008, 00:56:26 UTC

Heh. Well, that was pretty much going to be the reaction no matter what Rusty did. I don't really think the Doctor Who fandom can operate without scorn and ire. And there is quite a lot of anti-Rose sentiment out there in certain factions of fandom, so not really a surprise there either. Fortunately Rusty tends to do his own thing and completely thumbs his nose at fandom in general. Go Rusty!! ;-D

arabian July 8 2008, 01:25:15 UTC

Ah, see I'm new in the fandom, so the anger honestly surprised me. I think he did a heckuva job. I'm wary, quite, quite wary about Season 5 because Moffat's let me down a bit. I mean, I don't even want to eventually buy season 4 at this point because I liked nothing (but Donna's story) in his lame-ass two-parter. Sigh.

Anyhoo, yeah, go RUSTY!

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arabian July 12 2008, 20:51:45 UTC

You should, it really helps in getting those feelings out.

anonymous July 13 2008, 01:28:34 UTC

I did end up writing one. It felt good.

arabian July 13 2008, 01:46:53 UTC

Okay, so where did you post it? I looked at your journal and T&C, no luck. Or did you just write it up for yourself?

demeter918 July 8 2008, 03:25:05 UTC

I think rationally, most people would agree with you, but it's hard seeing such endings for our favorite characters!

I had known that there was no way that Donna was going to be traveling with the Doctor post-S4. So yeah, there were two ways to get rid of her. Kill her off or do something horrific that would remove her from the TARDIS. And it worked; Donna won't be traveling the TARDIS for the conceivable future. I'm going to miss her so much, but the important thing is that she's not dead! There's always a chance for a future guest appearance and I take comfort in that.

As for Rose... that I basically agree. I'm still a bit uneasy about the whole thing, but yeah, there was no way Billie Piper would be coming back to the show and Rose can't be replaced so how are Doctor/Rose fans (being that RTD is a fan himself!) going to get their happy ending? This was one of the only ways.

But I suppose it still hurts.

arabian July 12 2008, 20:52:33 UTC

Yeah, I get the hurt, but it's the anger that is confusing me. Considering the constraints -- which you re-iterated above -- he did a fabulous job, I think.

afrocurl July 8 2008, 04:16:19 UTC

I think my issues with RTD are more about how he wrote both endings. He had to make the 'shippers happy, I know, but the way in which he did it just felt off.

I know that Donna had to leave, but I think it's a disservice to her to erase everything she did, when, Rose was able to take in the entire time vortex with no questions asked.

arabian July 12 2008, 20:56:15 UTC

I do agree that he could have tweaked the Rose/10.5 stuff ab it more, but overall, I think it's great.

Well, you've seen my post on Donna; I thought that was perfectly done. And what happened to Rose was completely different than what happened to Donna. There were similarities, but a big enough difference that I understand why the repercussions of Donna's turn.

(However, I still fully believe that Rose did have consequences from Bad Wolf and is actually immortal like Jack now -- I think she died when she took on the Vortex and like Gwyneth and the Gelf, Rose was simply a shell for the Vortex. Many years down the line in my personal canon when Who is gone, 10.5 is dead, Rose is able to cross the universes with technology that's non-threatening and tells the Doctor he's a big looby because she's still around. She did promise him forever, after all. Of course, I'm a die-hard shipper, so, there ya go!0

wendymr July 16 2008, 23:10:38 UTC

I enjoyed reading your review and subsequent posts, and agree with you on most, though not all, of it. This, though, is one thing I have to disagree with:
However, I still fully believe that Rose did have consequences from Bad Wolf and is actually immortal like Jack now

I might have believed that up until Utopia. But the Doctor ran from Jack because he's 'wrong'. He can feel Jack as a fixed point in time and space. If Rose were also immortal, the Doctor would know - and he wouldn't like it. Yes, he loves Rose, but he also has a very strong sense of what's right (so, for instance, he didn't try to cross universes to get to her, did he?).

I could see Rose being affected by the Vortex to some extent - perhaps better health overall, immunity to some illnesses, perhaps an extended lifespan as a result - but not immortal, because the Doctor woudl have known.

arabian July 16 2008, 23:47:05 UTC

Thank you (and this means a lot coming from you!! You're one of the first "big" names I read about in this fandom).

Oh man, I totally forgot about that fixed time/space thing. Damn. Oh well.

It's okay, cuz I like your explanation even better ...

I could see Rose being affected by the Vortex to some extent - perhaps better health overall, immunity to some illnesses, perhaps an extended lifespan as a result - but not immortal, because the Doctor woudl have known.

Because if they use canon, the Doctor only has three regenerations left. If Rose can last that long, then they can just die together. Okay, that last bit sounded depressing, but you know what I mean. Alrighty, I'm accepting this as my canon now. Thanks. :)